David Wilcock on Odyssey Radio

July 28, 2007

Mike had an overwhelming number of questions he wanted to cover in 45 
minutes, so this had the energy of a frenetic tap-dance but that 
often brings out really good performances.

Unfortunately we had no warning for when the show suddenly ended, so 
we didn't get the chance to make a summary statement it just plunges 
over the cliff. The missing pieces can be found in our Project Camelot 
video and elsewhere on this site, as well as earlier in the same interview.

Mike: We have a very interesting guest for you tonight. His name is 
David Wilcock, and we'll be pondering all sorts of deep questions as 
to the nature of reality and the nature of the universe.

Let me tell you a little bit about him. He has a great web site called 
divinecosmos. com. He has written a book called The Reincarnation of 
Edgar Cayce, and he has brought forward a lot of evidence that he is 
indeed the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce. We will be directing you to 
the site to see his picture, and you can compare for yourself. It's 
going to be really amazing. He also has a new film out about group 
consciousness called 'Convergence'.

Welcome to the show, David Wilcock!

David: Mike, it's a pleasure to be here, I thank you for inviting me on.

Mike: Thank you so much. Okay we're going to dig right in to some of 
these topics tonight. Now a lot of us feel that we're individuals: we 
have free will, a private mind and private thoughts but you want to 
talk about the Law of Oneness, and group consciousness. Why don't you 
talk a bit about that for starters?

David: Well, from a philosophical perspective, ancient mystics have 
often said that we are interconnected more than just bodies that are 
separated from each other by the air. There is some sort of energetic 
field, if you will, that connects us together. Various ancient 
traditions have had different names for it. The Indians called it 
`Prana', in China they call it `Chi' or `Ki', and the Tibetans have a 
special name for it. Almost every ancient civilization has some sort 
of message about this oneness.

The Law of One series, which you suggested in your question, was a 
series of materials channeled in 1981. Up until that point in my 
research, I had not taken channeling seriously, but I had three years 
of research of ancient civilizations, UFOs and so forth under my belt. 
When I found this material, it tied in so many of the topics I thought 
I had independently discovered on my own that I realized there was 
some sort of genuineness to it.

So Oneness is actually a philosophy with a physics background. The 
other aspect of your question is how we can prove Oneness in the sense 
of actual science and that's where we tie into the movie and all 
this other stuff.

Mike: Okay, great. So why don't you lay out the philosophy of how the 
Law of Oneness works in our daily lives?

David: Well, once again a very broad question that has several 
layers of meaning.

On the most metaphysical and spiritual level, oneness actually does 
mean that the physical body itself is but a projection of spirit. In 
that ultimate sense it is illusory, for we are all actually 
distortions of intelligent light, which is a unified consciousness.

Now on a more physical level, it appears that the earth is a school 
with a particular purpose in mind for everybody who lives on it. That 
purpose is the evolution of consciousness.

Most of the people on this planet are here to learn a very simple 
lesson at this stage, which is basically to love and support others, 
rather than manipulate and control them. What we now are seeing in 
laboratory research is that the consciousness field is directly 
interfacing with DNA. When a person feels love, their DNA actually 
unwinds and expands. If the person is feeling hatred and anger, their 
DNA contracts and shrivels up. This was proven by Dr. Glen Rein.

So what we now have is a biological, scientifically- measurable marker 
to prove that love is the operative quality of this consciousness 
field that interconnects us.

Mike: That is amazing. So you talk a bit in your articles I have been 
reading about service to others. Is that the ultimate lesson that we 
are supposed to be serving other human beings

David: Actually, when you get really deep into esoteric metaphysics, 
service to others is also a distorted path. The positive path is 
service to others and the negative path is service to self.

It's when you get up through higher levels of learning, what would be 
called sixth density, where service to self and service to others 
negative and positive have to merge. You have to balance your shadow 
side with your good side as we would normally think of the term 
`good'. So, at this stage of evolution, it is very important that we 
learn service to others and that it becomes our primary focus.

[Without service to others as your starting point for self- 
integration, you're either stuck in `indecision' , which does not 
promote spiritual growth, or you're walking on the negative path, 
which is much more difficult due to the karmic repercussions of 
controlling and manipulating others.]

This ascension that I write about on my website, which we can go into 
a lot more detail about in our 2012 discussion, appears to be sort of 
a reward for people who have graduated from the basic curriculum that 
the earth is here to teach us, which is to be loving and supportive? 
[pause] Hello??

Mike: Yeah, we're still here. Go ahead.

David: Okay. I heard a beep, that's all. Maybe that's our CIA friends 
listening in on our conversation.

Mike: Well all right! Come on in. So anyway, you were saying?

David: It's funny because I have met people from black ops, and I have 
heard more than one person on the inside tell me they are dazzled with 
how I came up with all this stuff. They don't know how I did it.

I had a black ops guy at one of my conferences say, "Well, you're 85% 
correct." The other 15 [he proceeded to fill me in about.]

Mike: We're talking about ascension, and this whole concept about how 
it might be a group reward.

David: That's correct. So the idea here is this. Imagine that you are 
born with wealthy grandparents, let's say. You go through your whole 
life, and you never knew you had this huge inheritance waiting for 
you. Then, all of a sudden, bam! You discover you have been propelled 
into a life unlike anything you could have imagined, as a result of 
this inheritance.

The earth appears to be ruled by cause and effect, and simple 
Darwinian evolution where random mutations have created us to be where 
we are now. That's old-world thinking.

The new-world thinking is much more in line with systems theory, 
complexity, chaos theory, and consciousness as a unified field, in 
which the human body itself is an interface with some sort of cosmic 
consciousness that's much bigger than we are. In that sense we share 
an identity with the earth, with the sun, and with the galaxy and 
we're all energetically interconnected.

In fact, Dr. James Spottiswoode came out with studies where he took 20 
years' worth of ESP research and looked for a universal factor, in 
time, of how people's ESP worked. And what he found was that if you 
measure sidereal time the position of the earth to the center of the 
galaxy then when your position on the earth is aiming you at the 
center of the galaxy, your ESP ability goes up by four hundred percent!

You can imagine the center of the galaxy sort of like a hairdryer, and 
it's blowing this hot air at you. Your position on the earth is only 
going to rotate you in front of that hot air once every twenty four 
hours. When it does, your ESP is four hundred percent more effective!

If somebody wants to find out when that is, you can look up sidereal 
time on the internet. Look for fourteen hours and thirty minutes of 
your local sidereal time. That's when your psychic ability will be the 
strongest, because you're in alignment with the galactic energy. [It 
does shift slightly each day, so you have to keep checking if you want 
to work with this concept.]

So this is very measurable. I mean this is scientific hard science!

Again, it's like we are standing on the renaissance of consciousness 
and science as we know it. What it really does is strip away much of 
the veneer that has kept us from seeing our own divinity.

There do appear to be control groups in power on this planet, whose 
specific objective is to try to keep people in fear. They don't want 
this kind of information getting out, because people lose that fear 
very quickly once they realize the implications of this science.

Mike: Let's talk briefly about this group. Some people call it the 
`Illuminati' , and say they are working towards a new world order a 
global government. Can you tell us a little bit about what they are up 
to, and their objective?

David: Well I've actually had a personal conversation over e-mail and 
a little bit on the telephone [while she was a guest on Greg 
Szymanski's radio show] with a woman who was in the Illuminati. She 
calls herself Svali, and she has written a lot of material on the 
internet. She has gone out as a contact. She may have been 
assassinated I don't know. Nobody has heard from her for about a 
year now.

Mike: Right.

David: She did escape the group and survive. She described something 
that's very highly organized like a multi-level marketing 
corporation, for example. You have European banking families who then 
migrated to the U.S., beginning in Pittsburgh, to offset the American 
Revolution, which was actually an anti-Illuminati revolution in the 
first place.

[I should qualify that this particular point is my informed opinion, 
not something I remember Svali saying in particular. Scholarship on 
this group continues evolving as more and more information becomes 

It appears that Illuminist elements set the stage for a successful 
infiltration of the US government in the federalizing of the US after 
the Civil War. Lincoln did not seem to be directly involved in this, 
but was more of an unknowing puppet, and that might explain his 
assassination. He was, however, aware of larger forces manipulating 
events, and pinned the blame on the Jesuit Order, as Greg Szymanski's 
other Illuminati survivor Leo Zagami also has.

The Illuminist plan really kicked into gear when these same elements 
gained control of the American financial system, via the creation of 
the Federal Reserve in 1913. According to new data from Benjamin 
Fulford, this takeover was supported and financed by European 
Illuminati families. Almost immediately they triggered an allegedly 
staged event the sinking of the US ship the Lusitania to propel 
the US into World War One in 1914.

Since that time, and particularly beginning in the 1940s with the UFO 
cover-up, the American banking families headed by the Rockefellers 
according to Fulford have steadily grown more and more distant from 
the European families, headed by the Rothschilds. The European 
families were unaware of the degree of power the American faction 
would gain by being put in control of the oil system, and marrying the 
world's oil economy to the dollar.

Most of the technology derived from the crashed discs was hidden 
within the American faction. There was a begrudging truce between 
Europe and America in place for many years, and it appears that they 
are increasingly growing apart and competing with each other since the 
Iraq war. The European side is allegedly trying to disrupt the 
American control of the oil system by heavily promoting anti-global 
warming news and blaming the problem on our industrial emissions. 
There is also an ever-increasing attempt to completely ridicule and 
bring down the US government.

Bear in mind that neither side could be considered a "good guy", as 
both of them believe themselves superior to most people and both 
appear to have similar goals for large-scale world population reduction.

So the Illuminati got here shortly after the American Revolution. They 
set up in Pittsburgh, and their Western center is now in San Diego.

Long ago, they inherited ancient mystery-school wisdom and then were 
persecuted by Christians. So, they came to the conclusion that whoever 
the Christians said was thrown out of heaven must have been the good 
guy, because of how people were persecuting them in the name of 

So that in turn led to the refuting of Christian dogma and the 
embracing of what they felt Luciferian philosophy meant. Then there 
was a melding of Luciferian doctrine, basically the idea of wisdom and 
science and so forth, with ancient mystery school traditions that 
primarily trace back to Egypt.

This is where the path gets really complex in the sense that the Law 
of One series in 1981 is a source that claims to be Ra, claims to be 
this extra-terrestrial group that was in touch with the ancient 
civilization we call Atlantis. Ra provided the Atlanteans with 
philosophical as well as technological assistance, including the 
fabrication of the Great Pyramid, as it now stands.

If you look at the Edgar Cayce material, his past life allegedly was 
Ra-Ta the Atlantean priest who interfaced with this extra- 
terrestrial group so as to engender these social advances. This 
included the knowledge of pyramid technology, the Global Grid, anti- 
gravity technology, time travel technology all these things were 
being shared with humanity back then.

And then this priest Ra Ta got corrupted by his own shortcomings. The 
danger you always run into, when you try to do a mission like this for 
the planet, is being corrupted by your own shadow side and your own 
natural proclivity towards feeling separated, and therefore indulging 
in behaviors that are not healthy.

So his problem was being essentially a polygamist, and wanting to have 
multiple wives. Apparently because he refuted his own doctrine about 
monogamy, that was sufficient karmic load to force him to have to go 
through a series of reincarnations which would not have distortions 
towards power anywhere near to the degree he had in that lifetime. 
That apparently included his life as Edgar Cayce.

Then you start dove-tailing the astonishing physical resemblance 
between my face and Edgar Cayce's face, and the fact that I was born 
in the only time in 127 years after Cayce's death where the birth 
planets in the astrology sense line up almost one for one, all across 
the chart. It is literally billions to one against chance that this 
could have happened by coincidence.

Mike: I think it is time to direct people to your website, to 
divinecosmos. com. I know you're all on the computer, because that is 
how you're listening. Go to divinecosmos. com. It says `Start Here'. I 
want you to click that tab, go down to `Articles' and find the article 
on Edgar Cayce. Then you will see a black and white photo of Edgar and 
then the photo of David Wilcock, and you can compare the two for 
yourself. It's absolutely mind-blowing.

So I want to remind all of our listeners there are many, many books 
and articles for free at divinecosmos. com, and you can read much more 
from David Wilcock.

So let's get into the history of humanity on this planet. My 
understanding is that there are three cycles of 25,000 years. Why 
don't you talk about the whole history of human beings on this planet?

David: In order to do that, we should widen the aperture a little bit 
about this group that we were talking about Ra. Although their work 
with the Atlanteans occurred 11,000 years ago, that's very recent 
history in terms of what they have been doing.

When you get into this Law of One series which, again, has multi- 
plexed itself through so many scientific areas that were able to be 
validated upon later analysis my conclusion is we are dealing with 
an actual Galactic history.

So when you really dig into that material, what you find out is that 
humanity on this planet is an aggregate of civilizations each of 
which did not Ascend on their own native planets. In fact, it appears 
that we have some thirteen different civilizations that have been 
blended together. [This number is not exact there is reason to 
believe it could be 16 civilizations, based on other material from LL 
Research's "Secrets of the UFO."]

The galaxy itself, in Law of One philosophy, is a sentient organism 
and it has a series of archetypal experiences it sets up that we have 
to go through. There are a total of twenty-two: twenty-one of which 
are divided into three sets of seven. You have seven Body archetypes, 
seven Mind archetypes and seven Spirit archetypes. These represent 
natural journeys we go through in balancing body, mind and spirit, 

So each planet is given a certain set length of time for the entities 
on that planet to learn the basic lessons of loving and supporting 
others, which is what third density is all about. The Earth is in 
third-density now. After three cycles of roughly 25 thousand years, if 
you haven't gotten it together by that point if you are still kind 
of confused about whether you manipulate people or love them then 
you basically have to re-cycle through third density again, by moving 
to another third density planet.

Mike: Okay.

David: So Ra is apparently a group within a larger group called the 
"Confederation of Planets in Service of the One Infinite Creator", or 
the `Confederation' for short. This consists of some fifty-three 
different civilizations, spread out over more than two hundred 
planets. They are much more evolved than we are now, and they have 
worked together to "manage and transfer planetary populations" . 
That's their primary role.

So they actually shuttle people from one planet to another when these 
recyclings happen. The Confederation apparently had a number of 
planets in which the groups of people on those planets were very small 
in number not enough to warrant terra-forming a whole new planet 
just for them.

So they said, "Wow, we've got this great idea. Why don't we take all 
these different groups of people and put them all together on one 
planet. Won't they all be so happy!"

Mike: [laughs] It didn't quite work out that way, did it?

David: No, it didn't. And so, again, we have three cycles of twenty- 
five thousand years. The typical estimate is that after the first 
cycle, fifteen to twenty-five percent of the people graduate from the 
planet. At the end of the second cycle you get sixty percent or more 
of the population graduating. If anybody is left at the end of the 
third cycle, then you pretty much mop up and finish the job.

Well, in this case, on earth nobody graduated at the end of the first 
cycle. Only a hundred and fifty people were ready to graduate at the 
end of the second cycle. Those are referred to as the elders and 
they became immortal beings such as St. Francis of Assisi and St. 
Germain. A lot of people have heard of that.

Mike: That makes sense. Sure.

David: That is where a lot of these ancient legends come from. In 
addition to that, the ET's themselves, in the fifth and sixth- 
dimensional levels, were now karmically responsible for having made a 
bad judgment call in terms of throwing all these people together on 
this planet.

In essence, the different planetary origins of people on earth led to 
different appearances of their physical bodies that we would call the 
races. It's very, very rare that entities would normally evolve on a 
planet with such different racial characteristics as we have. That's 
not normal; that is one of the things that makes our planet so unique 
in this galaxy.

Most of the internecine warfare we have had between civilizations has 
been over race, and people looking different. So it's a result of that 
imbalance, and the wars that have been created in the name of God 
whatever people see God as being that these beings twenty- five 
thousand years ago had to volunteer, as a collective, to begin taking 
on human incarnation. They would forget who they were, forget where 
they came from, and volunteer to basically be alien anthropologists, 
parachuting down into the jungle and playing `Gorillas in the Mist'.

Most of your listeners are these people.

Mike: Right. So you're saying we are at the end of the third cycle of 
twenty-five thousand years on Earth?

David: 2012 is it. According to the Law of One philosophy and many 
other traditions, we are at the end of the whole game. That means 
everybody is here to try and get it together, and the decisions you 
make in this life reverberate through all your other incarnations.

So this is a very heavy time to be here. Again, I want to stress the 
fact that most of your listeners will be in this category what we 
call an ET wanderer. This means they have not fit in all their lives 
they've been a lot more sensitive, perhaps na?ve. They grow up feeling 
isolated and ostracized as a result. They do not understand 
negativity, and are very na?ve, in a sense, because genuinely negative 
people can be quite manipulative towards them and they won't understand it.

Mike: We've been thrown into a blender. We don't even understand 
crime. Why would you steal a car, or kill a person?  It doesn't make 
any sense.

David: I found out about all this in the first place back in 1995, 
when I found a book called `From Elsewhere' by Dr. Scott Mandelker. I 
had already been researching this stuff for three years, as I've said. 
Mandelker's book gives a questionnaire at the back, which says, "If 
you can answer these 12 questions in the affirmative, then you are 
probably an ET wanderer."

This questionnaire was the most precise, psychologically invasive 
assessment of my real personality even to stuff that I didn't want 
to admit to myself, much less to another human being that I had ever 
seen. Yet, here it was in black and white, in a book I just picked up 
at the book store.

[Here are the original 12 questions:

1. Were you often lost in daydreams of ETs, UFOs, other worlds, space 
travel and utopian societies as a child? Your family may have thought 
you were 'a bit odd' - without knowing quite why.

2. Did you sometimes feel that your parents were not your true 
parents, that your real family was far away and hidden? Perhaps you 
thought things around you were somehow not the way they ought to be, 
or you had faint recollections of another way of life somewhere far 
away. These beliefs may have caused you a great deal of discomfort. 
You felt out of place.

3. Have you had one or more vivid UFO experiences, whether in dreams 
or during waking hours, that dramatically changed your life? They 
helped resolve doubts, inspired confidence and hope, or gave you 
meaning and a greater sense of purpose. You may have felt a subtle 
shift in consciousness, an increase in spiritual presence, or a 
fundamentally altered outlook on life, all connected with that 
experience. It changed your life completely: you were a different person.

4. Are you are genuinely kind, gentle, harmless, peaceful, and non- 
aggressive (not just sometimes, but almost always)? If someone must do 
without, it usually ends up being you, for such is your habit of 
self-sacrifice. Acts of human cruelty, mindless destruction and global 
warfare seem really strange (shall we say, alien?) to you. Killing off 
one's brothers and sisters, destroying the environment that is our 
home - all this anger, rage, and violence just doesn't compute.

5. Do you have a hard time recognizing evil and trickery? Do some 
people call you naive? When you do perceive genuine negativity, 
perhaps you recoil in horror, and feel somewhat shocked that people 
really do things like that. You may actually feel confused, perhaps 
sensing that life doesn't have to be this way, and that you've known a 
place free of such disharmony.

6. Is the essence of your life serving others, be they family, 
friends, colleagues or clients? You hold great ideals, which may also 
be somewhat innocent and naive in worldly terms, but you sincerely, 
deeply hope to improve the world. You've probably experienced a great 
deal of disappointment and frustration when these hopes and dreams 
aren't realized.

7. Could you be described as having a scientific temperament, with a 
cool, reasonable, and measured approach to life? Human passion and red 
hot desire seem strange; when you encounter these qualities in others, 
you feel somewhat baffled. Romantic love and the entire world of 
feelings are far removed from your logical, analytical way. Perhaps 
people say you're always in your head and it's probably true! [Note: 
Wanderers of this type are not so common, and most of them wouldn't 
even be reading this book! They're often skeptics to the UFO issue, 
perhaps hardened debunkers like the late Dr. Carl Sagan; they may also 
be great scientists, odd birds, brilliant inventors, New Science 
enthusiasts and eccentrics.

8. Do you find that you can easily lose yourself in science fiction, 
medieval epic fantasy (such as the works of J.R. Tolkein) and 
visionary art? Your dreams of the past or future often seem more real 
than your life in the present, and sometimes you consider Earth life 
boring and empty, and you long for an exciting life of adventure. Such 
yearnings have been with you for many years.

9. Do you have an insatiable interest in UFOs, life on other worlds, 
or previous Earth civilizations such as Atlantis or Lemuria? Sometimes 
you feel like you've really been there, and may even go back someday. 
Perhaps you've amassed an extensive home library on such subjects. 
[Note: This is really a give-away, since only Wanderers and Walk-ins 
have profound, undying curiosity about worlds beyond and for good 
reason, since they just recently left them.

10. Do you have a strong interest in mystic spirituality, either in 
theory or practice, with some sense that you used to have greater 
powers but somehow lost them? When you begin to get involved in these 
practices you may feel it's unnecessary to discipline yourself, since 
you've already been there even though you seem to have forgotten 
what you used to know. Others may doubt your sincerity and resolve, 
but you know it's not that simple.

11. Have you become a conscious channel for ETs or some other non- 
Earth source of ageless wisdom and you know clearly that the purpose 
of your life is to help others grow and evolve? If you answered yes, 
you're probably no longer sleeping, Wanderer!

12. Do you feel and perhaps all your life have felt tremendous 
alienation and a sense of never quite fitting in? Maybe you hope to be 
like others, try your best to be normal, or truly imagine you really 
are like everyone else, but such mental tricks never quite work. You 
simply feel different, and always have. You have a very real fear that 
you may never find a place in this world. [Note: This is the classic 
trait of Wanderers.

David: So it blew my doors off. When he subtitled his book "The 
Subculture of Those who Claim to be of Non-Earthly Origins", I just 
literally laughed out loud in the middle of Barnes and Noble. I 
couldn't believe he would even say that, but that's what is going on! 
I've become convinced that this is what we are dealing with here.

Mike: Right. Now we were having trouble in this third cycle, as you 
mentioned. So a hundred million souls came forward to help us make 
this transition from the third density to the fourth density. Is that correct?

David: Yes. This is a very important point: normally, if one of these 
entities were to incarnate on a typical third-dimensional planet like 
ours, they would literally be like a Messianic figure for those 
people. They would have enormous influence politically, socially, 
technologically, et cetera.

On this planet there are hundreds of millions of us, or at least a 
hundred million. So what that means is a lot of us will have pseudo- 
Messianic thinking in our minds. You see many cases, if you look on 
blogs and so forth on the internet, of people who find a little grain 
of metaphysical truth, and then feel they have a unique role to save 
the world. They create a movie where they are the hero and I don't 
subscribe any significance to that belief.

I think we are involved in a great team effort at this time, and each 
person has a unique and valuable contribution. That being said, 
there's a wonderful quote from St. Francis in which he says that one 
moment of pure consciousness is worth more than a lifetime of good 
deeds. What he means by "pure consciousness" is making a direct 
gateway to the Divine within yourself.

So this is the field effect we were talking about before. The fact is 
these wanderers are here because they have a higher frequency. If you 
can simply remain in a state of peace, positive attitude, love and 
radiant joy, then you are fulfilling your job on the planet. There is 
no other actual expectation you have to fulfill.

Mike: You're uplifting just by your energies.

David: Yeah. You want to keep your physical body safe and healthy. 
That means you have to have a job do things to earn money and take 
care of yourself. As long as you can maintain your positive frequency, 
everything else is secondary to that.

Mike: Okay. So let's go back to 1936. You feel that was a very 
important year, and that started the shift. Talk about what happened 
during that year in 1936.

David: Well, this is another interesting convergence between the Edgar 
Cayce material and the Law of One series. I lived with Carla Rueckert 
for almost two years. She's the one who actually channeled the 
material along with two others, Dr. John Elkins and Jim McCarty. So 
in the course of living with Carla, I became aware of the fact that 
she had not really studied the Edgar Cayce readings at all.

She was unaware that the Cayce readings had said anything about 1936. 
She was also unaware that the Cayce readings had said anything about 
Ra Ta, or made suggestions about the existence of a group called Ra.

So there are all these interconnections between the Law of One 
material and the Cayce material that I've essentially discovered on my 
own. Other people have discovered them independently, and that is what 
our book "Reincarnation of Edgar Cayce" goes into all these amazing 

Now the Cayce readings said that in 1936, there would a cataclysmic 
shift inside the earth. It would be caused by the arrival of "outside 
cosmic forces" that would impact the earth. Only a year ago, I was 
going back through the Law of One series again. It said that we 
entered the first major wave of the new fourth-density energy, as they 
called it, a set number of years before the time the reading was done. 
Since the actual year was never given, I'd never paid much attention 
to it before.

I actually started sweating and my heart started beating. I realized, 
once I do this math, if it's 1936, it's going to blow my doors off.

So sure enough, I added it up, with my hand shaking on the calculator 
and bam, it was 1936! "Oh my God!"

Mike: Wow.

David: So two different sources, in which the woman channeling the 
second one had no idea that this connection existed, both said the 
same thing. The Law of One series went into a lot more detail about 
what it involved.

Apparently, in 1936 we breached the outer edge of this galactic energy 
field this band of energy, if you will. These bands are shaped like 
pinwheels from the galactic center to the outside edge of the galaxy; 
they are not like rings.

As we hit this wave, thoughts starts to become things. One of the 
things that the Law of One said would happen as a result of this was 
the manifestation of cancerous growth of tissue. This literally 
represents people's thoughts in this case, anger and negative 
emotions manifesting as the anomalous growth of tissue.

Mike: So an epidemic of cancer resulted.

David: Right. But on the positive side, we had enormous explosions of 
technological growth, as well as explosions of intelligence for the 
average person. This has been ongoing.

If you look at our history, we didn't even have closed stoves up until 
the late 1700's. Benjamin Franklin actually invented that. We were 
cooking over open fire up until the late 1700's.

In the late 1800s, all of a sudden we had electricity, lights, 
telephones, washing machines all in a short time.

All of these domestic responsibilities that used to involve a whole 
day's work, every day, suddenly became automated. Farm labor and 
roughing it out there in society was no longer required. You could 
have a job that didn't require you to do any real physical effort.

So, originally this was meant to be a positive thing. The higher 
beings have guided our evolution, and guided certain visionary people 
like Alexander Graham Bell, Thomas Edison, Nicola Tesla and Albert 
Einstein. All of these people have been either knowingly or 
unknowingly helped along by these higher positive beings, who are 
helping steer our evolution so we are on this time line that 
culminates in 2012.

So we have a system where consciousness changed in a very fundamental 
way in 1936. Our collective shadow began projecting itself into the 
government, much more than ever before. The first iteration of that 
was obviously Nazi Germany, which began rising in 1936.

Mike: And a whole lot more since then.

David: Yeah. It's an amazing correlation to see how all this stuff 
fits together.

Mike: And that was the growth of our secret government, and all the 
black agencies, where we don't even know what they do.

David: Somebody could argue that the precedent was set with the 
Federal Reserve in 1913, but as far as what you are saying, yes. The 
OSS, the CIA and the other `alphabet soup' agencies all came after this.

Mike: That makes a lot of sense. So let's get into?you have a new 
movie called `Convergence' . Why don't you talk about that, and the 
theme of this new movie?

David: Well, I gave a lecture in L.A. in 2005, and there was an L.A. 
film producer there. He walked up to me at the end of the show. I 
didn't even know he was in the audience. His mouth had been hanging 
open the whole time I was lecturing. He said, "If we took everything 
you just said, and put it into a film, it would be absolutely amazing.

So I was, of course, very enthralled by this. It's a wonderful way to 
get a message out to people. So, we began working together. A year 
after that initial meeting, we had enough financing to be able to get 
me out here to L.A., which is where I live now.

It started out as a documentary, similar to "What the Bleep", let's 
say, but with much more high-octane science. Bleep was mostly based on 
material from Gary Zukav's 1977 book, "The Dancing Wu Li Masters". It 
dealt with Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, and the idea that 
wave-particle duality in quantum physics is a representation of the 
ephemeral nature of reality.

My science goes into much more depth about this consciousness field 
than in `Bleep', and the truth becomes a lot more evident. One of the 
first things I had to do was sequester a lot of the science that I put 
together the most advanced material. There's this principle (as the 
lawyers will tell you when you're doing a film), in which you don't 
want to spoil the buzz before the film comes out.

But what's since happened is the film has been through many 
evolutions. We've had five completely different re-writes; we're in 
number five now. The last three re-writes have all been dramatic 
adaptations, where we're taking the scientific material and turning it 
into sort of a DaVinci Code-style mystery-thriller, with science- 
fiction elements.

We're working with top people in the field. I've actually had to get 
directly involved in the screenwriting. The reason for that is, first 
of all, we basically don't have the money at this point to pay an 
`A'-list screenwriter. You're talking about three hundred, five 
hundred thousand, even more, to get a really good screenwriter.

So, we're working with people who are willing to go pro-bono. I have 
had to get directly involved in learning all the intricacies of 
screenwriting. I've been doing an enormous amount of research 
reading scripts, and five different books on screenwriting in the last 
three months. What we're really trying to do is figure out how to 
weave this information into a very compelling, enthralling story.

Mike: Blow the roof off the screen when it comes out!

David: The problem is this: scientific material, in and of itself, in 
film terms would be considered exposition. Unfortunately, exposition 
is considered the wicked stepchild of film. It usually gets crammed 
into a few little lines of expository dialogue that one or two 
characters give off over the course of the film and that's it. The 
whole rest of the film, particularly in the action genre, is what we 
call `gun and run' people holding guns and running around shooting 
at each other.

We don't want a `gun and run' film! We want as much exposition as 
possible. The thing about film is you have to create a mounting sense 
of jeopardy. So one of the techniques, in order to squeeze in 
exposition, is to have two characters arguing with each other. The 
exposition can come out in the course of their argument.

So, I've learned an enormous amount and as a result, a lot of the 
thrill of watching a film has been taken from me, because I know all 
the tricks now. But at the same time, I'm learning how to use those 
tricks in order to tell a really great story.

Mike: Let me get back to the Mayan Calendar here. What do you feel is 
actually going to happen in 2012? Do you feel there's going to be a 
pole shift and some catastrophes, and that it will lead to a gentler 
healing towards higher dimensional life? What's the process you feel 
is going to happen?

David: This is another really fascinating aspect of the `Law of One' 
material. It reconciles much of the question over why people should 
not feel afraid. Most metaphysics you read has a strong sense of 
hysteria and panic over earth changes. Edgar Cayce himself contributed 
to that, with his material regarding 1998 and California sinking into 
the ocean. Well, we're still here. Nothing happened.

Apparently, Cayce was distraught by people criticizing his work. As a 
result of that, his negativity opened the door for what they call a 
`trickster' entity named Halaliel to get in the way, and interrupt his 
readings with negatively-tainted information. That's where the earth 
change stuff came from. Each of those readings ended with "I, 
Halaliel, have spoken."

So, ask any person deeply ensconced in the Edgar Cayce association and 
they will tell you that after those readings, the source repudiated 
Halaliel only after the group had made up their own mind that they 
didn't want to work with the entity any longer. Hence, that whole body 
of Earth Change information was incorrect and inaccurate. To their 
credit, the Cayce association continues to make efforts to inform 
people about this.

Now the Law of One series says the earth changes are something we 
shouldn't even spend a minute worrying about. It's totally transient. 
It's of no importance. The reason why is this: they're actually 
describing a frequency shift, akin to a `Bermuda Triangle' effect, 
that engulfs the whole earth simultaneously in a dimensional- shifting field.

Now, the Philadelphia Experiment and various other things have shown 
us there is a possibility for stargate-type phenomenon to occur. I've 
spoken to people who have firsthand knowledge of the Philadelphia 
Experiment, so I know that it's not a fabricated story. Of course, 
there are many, many accounts of ships, airplanes and all sorts of 
craft disappearing in the Devil's Triangle near Japan, the Bermuda 
Triangle, and various other locations on the earth's surface.

Ivan Sanderson calculated that there are twelve locations, and they're 
all equally distant from each other. This forms the nodes of a 
geometry called an icosahedron. So, in effect we're dealing with a 
global grid, where the nodes on this geometric grid are where the real 
action is happening where these Bermuda Triangle effects occur.

In 2012, or thereabouts, the grid shifts into a higher frequency. When 
you crank up the frequency, the geometry itself changes. There are a 
lot of articles on my site where I go into detail about that, not to 
mention all three of my full-length Convergence books, which are free 
to read on the site.

That's why there is a pole shift at the end of a cycle. The grid 
actually becomes more complex. It affects the positions of the 
continents. It affects the size of the earth, and it affects the 
earth's rotational axis. However, before the earth actually, 
physically shifts, everyone on earth regardless of whether they're 
positive, negative or indifferent is going to transition into a 
higher plane. This is an astral plane.

The Law of One series didn't just hand this to us on a silver platter. 
It's taken us over 20 years of researching this material to understand 
what it was actually saying. We finally decoded the mystery last year, 
at an IONS conference in San Francisco. Dr. Scott Mandelker, whom I 
mentioned earlier, worked with me on this and we figured it out.

The Law of One series implies that in the period of 2011 to 2013, 
everyone on earth flips over into this astral plane. The majority of 
them will immediately `re-load' the earth, exactly as it was in their 
memory, before anything happened. They will not experience earth 
changes. They will not see tidal waves or earthquakes. In fact, you're 
basically in an indestructible body in the astral plane. So, their 
lifespan might actually end up being a lot longer than it would have 
been if they had continued living in the normal earth.

The astral will never have been like this before; this is a 
fundamental re-structuring of the whole nature of the astral plane as 
we understand it. The whole earth will basically be re-loaded into the 
astral as we remember it. Don't forget that with vortex and stargate 
phenomena, we can cross over into this astral plane, disappear from 
view, and then when we return to the physical plane, our body 
reconstitutes as if nothing had changed. In this case the energy 
simply shifts so we stay in the astral.

Some people who are practicing the positive path are going to 
experience this Ascension event, rather than simply a re-loading of 
the Earth in the astral. The Ascension process is the most ecstatic 
merger with your Higher Self you will ever experience in any lifetime. 
It's a complete homecoming. It's like everything you ever worked for 
all the sacrifice, all the struggle, all the tears and all the pain 
suddenly comes to an Omega Point. It is a true quantum shift, where 
you come into direct contact with a representation of God that is the 
most inspiring to you that it ever could be.

You actually experience a review of not just this life, but all of 
your past lives. It essentially moves you through a multi- 
incarnational life review, to get you down to the exact level of how 
much progress you've made.

Now, when I say this to people, they freak out: "Oh, my gosh, that 
means if I haven't progressed, I might fail somehow!" What we tell 
them 'we' meaning the higher forces and myself is, "Look. You have 
the power to change your life right now."

This earth is moving into a higher plane where unconditional love is 
the law of the land. There's not going to be Illuminati on the planet 
anymore. The only level in which negatives and positives interact on 
the same planet is our level now, which the Law of One series calls 
"third density".

As soon as you break out of this level, there's basically segregation 
by vibration. It's not a racist thing it's just that the frequencies 
don't interrelate any more.

The earth is essentially moving into a sort of Edenic paradise a 
Utopia. We have the power to control how quickly and how expediently 
we move through that by the diligence we have in our own personal growth.

Mike: A really amazing, exciting adventure coming up for all of us.

David: Absolutely!

Mike: [laughs] It's interesting that the fundamentalist Christians are 
anticipating this as well. They're anticipating a cataclysm and then 
this millennium this time of peace.

David: Again, the cataclysmic activity is something that occurs under 
the radar, where people have shifted to a level wherein they don't 
experience it directly. The level of changes we're already seeing 
right now is as bad as it's ever going to get. Worrying about it 
getting any worse is simply a waste of your energy and a damaging loss 
of your overall vibrational level.

Remember there are too many intersecting historical validations of 
the life of the man Jesus for it to be discounted. There are some 
Illuminati out there who have put out various books, or who have 
influenced people and paid people to put out books where they try to 
refute the whole story of Jesus. They all say, "Well he's just a 
mythological archetype. Nobody really existed who did this stuff."

I beg to differ. In order for people to have gotten that jazzed up 
about something, there very much was a guy walking around and doing 
`Ascended' things.

Mike: A carpenter who only traveled a few miles in his whole life. Absolutely.

David: That actually might not be true either. The Aquarian Gospel of 
Jesus the Christ was validated by Edgar Cayce as being an accurate 
retelling of the "lost" years of his life. It says Jesus actually 
traveled east and went into the Pyramid, where he experienced his 
first Ascension. That's how he ended up gaining his most powerful abilities.

There is a timeline built into the pyramid, using the angles, 
measurements and symbolism of the ascending and descending passages to 
tell a story in time. A rare stellar alignment was used to calibrate 
when the timeline began. This timeline hits many historical events 
with astonishing accuracy. The best book on the subject is "Great 
Pyramid Decoded" by Peter Lemesurier most of this information is 
still not online. The Pyramid Timeline strongly suggests that one of 
the main reasons why the pyramid was built was to facilitate Jesus' 
ascension at the appropriate time in our history.

Mike: I'd like to touch on what you feel the purpose of the pyramids 
was, and how they were built.

David: Okay. Let's carry that narrative a little bit further, and then 
I'll tie it into that.

The real reason why I brought up Jesus was this: he said that this 
end-times formula will happen. You have things like in the Book of 
Daniel: "Two shall be walking, and then there shall be one."

[The Law of One series specifically uses the term "harvest" to 
describe the Ascension process. This is a direct reference to Matthew 
13:36-39, as follows:

36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house. His 
disciples came unto him, saying, "Declare unto us the parable of the 
tares of the field."

37 He answered and said unto them, "He that soweth the good seed is 
the Son of man.

38 The field is the world. The good seed are the children of the 
kingdom (i.e. the coming Golden Age), but the tares are the children 
of the wicked one.

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil. (This is referred to in the 
Law of One series as the "Luciferian Force", compelling people to 
manipulate and control others, rather than an actual entity.) The 
harvest is the end of the world and the reapers are the angels.]

Now, I have reason to believe there may be some truth to that. Most 
people are so ensconced in materiality they can't accept it could 
happen. Fundamentalist Christians do, but then they bastardize it into 
saying their dogma is the only way. The visions I've had show all 
sorts of different races and religions inheriting this fourth- 
dimensional earth, because it's really about the frequency that you hold.

So, getting back to your question about the pyramid, here's the segue: 
the earth itself is a source of energy that radiates what the Russians 
refer to as torsion fields. It's a natural source which comes, as I 
said before, from the earth, from the sun, and from the center of the 
galaxy. This again is why, when you're in alignment with the center of 
the galaxy at fourteen hours and thirty minutes sidereal time, your 
ESP ability goes up by four hundred percent.

The earth is giving off an energy field like that as well. This energy 
field is actually what fuels physical matter to sustain its own 
existence. Each little atom and molecule is like a sponge that takes 
this energy in like a fluid, and then extracts it back out again.

When you build a structure that's in the shape of a tower, cylinder or 
cone, or a pyramid, you're actually building a funnel. The energy 
flowing into physical matter has liquid-like properties in its own 
frame of reference, which we would normally consider to be a higher 
dimension. This fluidlike energy cannot be directly seen or measured, 
but we can observe how it interacts with and ultimately creates matter.

This energy can be concentrated and focalized by mechanical processes, 
such as specially-prepared rotating magnets, or by certain cylindrical 
or funnel-shaped structures. In the middle of a pyramid, you get 
things like razor blades sharpening, which is a molecular realignment 
of the atoms along the blade's surface. Dr. Volodymyr Krasnoholovets 
actually photographed and measured these matter-changing effects along 
the sharp edge of a razor blade, under high magnification.

You also get things like the stopping of disease and bacteria. This is 
why you can put milk in there and it won't rot. Corpses of animals 
stuck in the Great Pyramid simply mummify. The energy concentrated by 
a pyramid is the energy that sustains and enhances life, and it seems 
to out-resonate the compounds that normally attack life. Viruses 
explode, toxic chemicals become inert, and every form of disease is 
reduced or nullified.

The Russians have done some amazing research where they built pyramids 
out of PVC pipe and fiberglass. They built them to be a hundred and 
forty-four feet tall. They were very steep pyramids almost like 
obelisks. Then they did things like putting mice inside the pyramid 
after they had been tainted with typhoid fever or cancer- causing 
chemicals. The mice develop far fewer tumors, and largely avoided 
getting sick.

They've actually taken water, put it in the pyramid and then fed it to 
premature babies. The babies who were fed the water almost completely 
restored to normal health, whereas many in the control group died as 
you would expect.

So, we're talking about miracle-level healing. In another study, they 
took bags of salt and pepper and stored them in the pyramid. They then 
distributed the goods to prisoners in selected jails in Russia. With 
no other change in their diet or treatment plan, the prisoners 
suddenly experienced noticeable increases in their level of harmony, 
cooperation and drug rehabilitation.

Mike: A lot of people are putting copper pyramids in their house 
actually in their environment.

David: You either want to build it with all metal or no metal. Wood is 
a good material to use. Copper is good. You can buy a crystal pyramid 
if you want to. Again, another thing you have to keep in mind is that 
when you're dealing with torsion fields, you're dealing with something 
that has a physical effect. You don't want to overuse it, as this can 
actually have a deleterious effect.

This also gets back into global warming, and interplanetary climate 
change; I don't know if you want to get into that.

Mike: Actually, we're winding down?

David: Okay, well?

Mike: ?but I do want to get into your `Science of Peace'. You have a 
CD series with some really great jazz and trance music, where you 
talked about all of these concepts, all set to music.

David: Right, and we have that clip. Did you want to play that clip now?

Mike: I want people to go to your website, actually, and find out all 
the information about you. It's divinecosmos. com. I really appreciate 
you being on the show. It's a lot of information, so I would want to 
direct people to your site to read the articles and check it out.

David: Okay.

Mike: So, thank you for coming on the show, David Wilcock, at 
divinecosmos. com.

David: Very good.

Mike: Thanks a lot. Goodnight, David.

Short note from Gerradus...
As The Infinite Light we created the entire universe in Consciousness and when the images were well established we endeavored to live on many planets. Planet Earth is one of these planet. We as The Infinite Light are disguised there as human beings. Humans do not know this however and all throughout their many repeated existences they search for explanations. These explanations become apparent the longer they keep incarnating into human form.  Sooner or later, the 'Light They Are' arises to the top so to speak and voila - they realize who or what they actually are!  All this takes place in a three dimensional environment and when this realization has taken place they are ready to be promote to higher planes of being. This period is rapidly approaching. All human beings have a brilliant future to be discovered by the 'Souls They Are' as aspects of The Infinite Light. The 'Light They Are' is found within...