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In 1994 I was a member of the Mochin List for a while.
We had quite a few exchanges and discussions.
I think the list orginated in Irael and was promoting Project Mind.
I have no idea how I joined that group - maybe I was invited or smiled at.
Everybody always wanted me to join Project Mind.
I bought the book Project Mind by T. Kun
~ Excellent book but very intellectual ~
! I refused to join Project Mind !
Gerardus
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MOCHIN Digest 67
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) cookie monsters
by MARSHLU@vms.huji.ac.il
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Topic No. 1
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 94 19:55 +0300
From: MARSHLU@vms.huji.ac.il
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: cookie monsters
Message-ID: <9408011656.AA17762@mx.smtp.psi.net>
25 Av, 5754
Hail Gerardus, cosmic cookie baker,
Thank you for the investigation into matter. Matter in various
traditions is a relative term and is classified, in cosmology,
according to levels of materiality or essence or "lack" or
"desire to receive." Essences are classified according to a
number of factors including the degree of separation from the
root from which they were created.
You say,
>Matter in and by itself does not exist!
I am not sure that this is a helpful approach. The Creator made
matter not only as an instrument of obscurity but also as an
ultimate instrument for our pleasure. When all this earthly
abode is rectified and suffering is abolished, it is my belief
that matter will remain but will give expression not to lack, as
is presently the case, but to unlimited abundance. Then, when we
bite into a cookie, we will taste a multi-layered ecstasy
corresponding to all the worlds. Kun calls matter "the thin
crust" of an otherwise spiritual reality.
In this scenario, all levels of materiality accommodate and
integrate the light of reality. Were all levels of materiality
to collapse into a primrodial unity with only the Creator
remaining, then what will have been the point of Creation to
begin with? In Judaism at least, we are told that the purpose of
Creation is for the Creator to give endless pleasure to His
creatures.
You also say,
>Consciousness is the Essence of the universe and this Essence is
>the creative force of the universe.
This can be misleading. All created essences are lack or "desire
to receive." That is what distinguishes and separates them from
the Creator. Without this separation and the obscurity and the
suffering that goes along with it, there could be no Creation in
which we humans are to be co-creators (to use a term coined or
at least used a lot by Barbara Marx Hubbard). Consciousness is
what happens when essence fuses with the specific grade of light
meant for it to accommodate. This is realization and is never
totally complete since no part of Creation can be totally
realized in the absence of completion in the other parts.
The creative force of the universe is the light that emanates
from the Creator. It finds expression in the substance of our
essence as the "image of G-d" stamped upon it. Existence is
conscious in potential and will be conscious in practise when we
have completed our role at the end of the Sabbatical Millenium
known as "Gmar Hatikkun" (the competed emendation).
Although everything, as you astutely point out, is an expression
of energy and thus of higher, creating Mind, it is usually
useful to recognize that our mind and that Mind are presently
incommensurable and that physical reality must be addressed
through the highest level of creativity if the gap between the
actual and the possible, waking sleep and consciousness, is to
be narrowed. It is my experience that eating cosmic cookies
without engaging ourselves in cosmic acts aimed at narrowing
that gap leads to spiritual indigestion.
Now, Gerardus, that you have acquired Project Mind, perhaps you
could bake us a PM cookie?
Blessings to all,
David S. Devor
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MOCHIN Digest 68
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Tzolkin
by MARSHLU@vms.huji.ac.il
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Topic No. 1
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 94 17:08 +0300
From: MARSHLU@vms.huji.ac.il
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Tzolkin
Message-ID: <199408031420.KAA17038@nysernet.ORG>
26 Av, 5754
Greetings Paul,
O.k., I give up what is "Mayan Tzolkin" and why does the menorah
represent 22 over 7 i.e. pi? Or does it?
Where did these items come from and why do you ask?
David
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MOCHIN Digest 69
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Cosmic Cookies - 003
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
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Topic No. 1
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 94 13:09 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Cosmic Cookies - 003
Message-ID: <04080094130949@HUJIVMS>
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
- Cosmic Cookies - 003 -
Continuation from: Cosmic Cookies - 001 & 002
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To Human and Alien...
To One and All....
The whole universe is the fulfillment of its desires.
Since all of us are different aspects of consciousness or mind;
we therefore are different aspects of the creative force. We all
create our own specific reality in order to ultimately discover
who or what we really are. We are the Creator living as Man!
Seemingly all matter forms are separated from each other but the
separation is an illusion! All things in the universe are nodes
or standing waves of the One Infinite Body of Energy or Universal
Mind. The spaces between matter-forms are illusions because the
energy between objects exists but does not vibrate within the
range of our senses or instruments. We see or experience very
little of what really goes on in the universe. By living in
matter we have limited ourselves to but a few octaves of reality.
We have done this on purpose in order to experience our matter
creation. We as human beings are the creative force in human form
and we are in the process of experiencing our self created reality.
This means naturally that if we do not like it, we can change it!
All of us are the creators of our own reality. Few of us however
know this to be so!
The immediate future is going to be very difficult, because our
Third Dimensional Phase of creation is in the stages of breaking
down to clear the way for the next phase of creation. Human
beings with only a nuts and bolts philosophy of life are in for a
psychological shock of great proportions. Strange phenomena will
take place in our reality and many of us will not be able to cope
with the situations at hand. The world however is not going to
come to an end, although for many it might appear that way. The
long range future of mankind as the creator of his reality is
brilliant!
The world is a school for human souls and the curriculum is self
determined for all of us create our own lessons. Matter, time
and space are the scenery of the stage upon which we perform our
own designed roles. Our life takes place in mind for mind is the
only thing that is real in our universe. All things are forms of
dancing vibrations of mind. Naturally you do not have to believe
a word of what you have read, because you are the master of your
own life and the discoverer of your own Truth. As always; Truth
is an individual thing and life is what you believe it to be!
This is the end of article 2
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Is there anybody reading the above? Please let me know for I need at
least one confirmation from a recipient on this Mochin Network.
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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MOCHIN Digest 70
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Cosmic Cookies - 003
by RGOPAL%DELHI@LANDO.HNS.COM
2) RE: Cosmic Cookies - 003
by morales@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU
3) Meta-Cosmic Cookies
by koopman@ctc.com (Michael G. Koopman)
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Topic No. 1
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 94 17:55 +0300
From: RGOPAL%DELHI@LANDO.HNS.COM
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: Cosmic Cookies - 003
Message-ID: <04080094175546@HUJIVMS>
Yes!! this article is being read with great interest.
Please keep it going.
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Topic No. 2
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 94 22:54 +0300
From: morales@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: RE: Cosmic Cookies - 003
Message-ID: <04080094225407@HUJIVMS>
(I will reply.)
- Cosmic Cookies - 003 -
Continuation from: Cosmic Cookies - 001 & 002
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To Human and Alien...
To One and All....
The whole universe is the fulfillment of its desires.
Since all of us are different aspects of consciousness or mind;
we therefore are different aspects of the creative force. We all
create our own specific reality in order to ultimately discover
who or what we really are. We are the Creator living as Man!
(I believe you answer is later. We are the Creator.)
Seemingly all matter forms are separated from each other but the
separation is an illusion! (Not sure of your defination of what is illusion.
Richard Bach's "Illusions" might apply, but then am I and illusion
accorcing to you?) All things in the universe are nodes
or standing waves of the One Infinite Body of Energy or Universal
Mind. The spaces between matter-forms are illusions because the
energy between objects exists but does not vibrate within the
range of our senses or instruments. (Though I cannot disagree, I would
would find it hard to agree with your concept here) We see or experience
very little of what really goes on in the universe. (The Universe is
immense. Or are you speculating that it is miniscule if we could somehow
encompass it all?) By living in matter (Can we live in other than matter?
Say live in or as energy?) we have limited ourselves to but a few octaves
of reality. (Do we limit ourselves or are we limited by what surrounds us?)
We have done this on purpose (Was it our choice? And if so, what caused that
choice and how can we change that choice?) in order to experience our
matter creation. We as human beings are the creative force in human form
and we are in the process of experiencing our self created reality.
(Here I totally agree with you.) This means naturally that if we do
not like it, we can change it! All of us are the creators of our own
reality. Few of us however know this to be so! (Bravo!)
The immediate future is going to be very difficult, because our
Third Dimensional Phase of creation is in the stages of breaking
down to clear the way for the next phase of creation. Human
beings with only a nuts and bolts philosophy of life are in for a
psychological shock of great proportions. (Why do you believe this to be
so? Please elaborate.) Strange phenomena will take place in our
reality and many of us will not be able to cope with the situations
at hand. The world however is not going to come to an end, although
for many it might appear that way. The long range future of mankind
as the creator of his reality is brilliant! (What 'Strange phemomena are you
refering to and what will cause it to come into being? Why do you believe
this to be true, besides because it has to happen.)
The world is a school for human souls and the curriculum is self
determined for all of us create our own lessons. Matter, time
and space are the scenery of the stage upon which we perform our
own designed roles. (If what you said before is true, that we are the
creators of our own reality, then we have no 'designed roles' but are the
roles of our changing creations.) Our life takes place in mind
for mind is the only thing that is real in our universe. All
things are forms of dancing vibrations of mind. Naturally you do
not have to believe a word of what you have read, because you are
the master of your own life and the discoverer of your own Truth.
As always; Truth is an individual thing and life is what you believe
it to be! (I will grant you this. My reality is vastly different than yours
but not that different since we are able to communicate in this same
reality.)
This is the end of article 2
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Is there anybody reading the above? Please let me know for I need at
least one confirmation from a recipient on this Mochin Network.
(From my reality to yours... A confirmation. In-the-Nick-of-Time.)
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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Topic No. 3
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 94 0:07 +0300
From: koopman@ctc.com (Michael G. Koopman)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Meta-Cosmic Cookies
Message-ID: <05080094000742@HUJIVMS>
Gerardus,
> All things in the universe are nodes or standing waves of the One
> Infinite Body of Energy or Universal Mind. The spaces between
> matter-forms are illusions because the energy between objects exists
> but does not vibrate within the range of our senses or instruments.
Not knowing how to provide good Eliza sounding responses like
<morales@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU> I will attempt to address the phenomonology
and not the phrenomonology which you incite with these comments.
Consider the physical models of matter, realizing none are even
remotely removed from the assumptions of the underlying theories which
develop the models. That is, the model representations show all of
the artifacts of the mathematics of the underlying theory - hmmm,
coincidental? Discounting this chicken and egg nuance and accepting
that the measurement of physical phenomenom meets the empirical
evidence (usu. measures derived from an acquired energy metric through
calculations based on accepted theory - hmmm, again?). Well,
neglecting again the smell of rats spinning this way or that when held
by the tail based on genetic determinism let us proceed further into
the tiny, whiny islands of sub-atomic particles. How did we get so
small? Is it likely that we will get smaller still? I think so.
So, where is this leading? Back to One Energy as Gerardus proclaims.
The make-up of our physical matter is mostly a field of variable
density. Aaah, but there are those "real" things, right? Wrong. The
"real" things in the atom are mostly a field of variable density.
Aaah, but there are those "real" things, right? Well, enough of that
for now (especially since it is "speculation" that those sub-atomic
"real" things are mostly a field of variable density). So, matter is
energy, nothing new here, right. But energy is organized in ways we
cannot see. We can see big material things, but we don't see big
energy things and we can pass right through them as if they had no
influence, since usually they do not; like a fast neutron passing
through your body. How many people know about how many fast neutrons
have passed through their body in the past five minutes?
I agree the spaces between matter-forms does not exist because the
spaces between matter-forms and the matter-forms are the same thing.
Of course, energy-forms which are not revealed to us are things we
don't know, therefore these illusions can not hurt us, right?
'nuf said
Mike Koopman internet: koopman@ctc.com phone: +1-814-269-2637
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MOCHIN Digest 71
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Operation - Appearances -- Real or Illusion!
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
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Topic No. 1
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 94 2:16 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Operation - Appearances -- Real or Illusion!
Message-ID: <08080094021637@HUJIVMS>
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To One and All...
(Including all Spooks and other temporary Apparitions and/or Realities)
Thank you David for sending me a digest of some of the action on Mochin.
I had no idea that so many "thinkers" were contributors to this Network and
I'm glad I have the privilege to be a beginner among you.
It's good to mingle minds!
I would like to **loosely** go over some of the questions and or remarks and
presents my humble and not so humble views about all these queries...
David S. D. : The idea of PM is not to "get people interested in deeper
aspects of themselves." I consider that a fairly hopeless task
and leave it to the missionaries. Our plan is far more modest.
We wish to "save the world" as you put it. Then people will wake
up of themselves. And for that we must rely on "Old Souls" as
you put it. Is your soul old enough to help in this? Your help
on the list is already a step in the right direction.
Gerardus: Where did I say "save the world" ?? The only way to save the world
(and I DO NOT believe that we are here to save anything) is to get people to
become more interested in deeper aspects of themselves in my opinion. Unless we
all understand that WE ARE ALL THINGS, including the world, we will never get
anywhere. We MUST understand Who and What we really are first of all, before
any responsible action from Mankind can be expected.
Creating a world of "Material Abundance" by means of PM, will put the entire
world of Man on the welfare list. To expect them to wake up because of this is
not my conviction as yet. I might put them to sleep longer and deeper then
ever! And whether my Soul is old enough to help in this, I do not really know
as yet either. My Soul is an awful busy mind-mingler already at the moment...
Anyway, my Awareness/Soul and or Godbeing is aware enough to be an aspect of
this particular Mochin List, because of your invitations. This however does not
necessarily mean that my Awareness is directly in favor of PM. However, as a
newcomer to the book and this group I am not entirely against it either. As a
matter of fact I need to look the entire idea a bit "squarer" in the eye. (Is
squarer English?)
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Gerardus:
Matter in and by itself does not exist!
David: >>I am not sure that this is a helpful approach. The Creator made
matter not only as an instrument of obscurity but also as an
ultimate instrument for our pleasure. When all this earthly
abode is rectified and suffering is abolished, it is my belief
that matter will remain but will give expression not to lack, as
is presently the case, but to unlimited abundance. <<
Gerardus: What we call Matter is the Name we have given to Energy in our
unconsciousness. What we see and experience is not what is there! Our very
eyes and experiences with matter have given us the (unconscious) ideas that
matter is a real, in and by itself, substance. Matter is a form of Spirit -
Energy.
Our existence in this Earthly Plane however is called the Physical Experience
but we are here mainly to see what it is like to be fooled by our own Creative
Endeavors.
Our Physical Creation IS the so very special Realm in which we are living with
the illusion that we are Matter and that all things we see and experience are
matter. Well, some of us have discovered that we are being fooled by our own
senses, that in conjunction with our conscious mind have taken Mankind for a
ride in the material World that we call Real! Well, it is Real alright, a REAL
Illusion!
For example: have you ever seen David Copperfield, the Illusionist on TV? What
do you think this man is conveying to us. He shows us that matter is directly
responding to his mind and he can do almost anything including flying and
exchange people as well as objects instantaneously because he has COMMAND over
this so called Matter. All he does is; have command over an aspect of his mind
that we call matter. He multiplies fishes as well probably, as well as bread.
This has been done before however, so he is doing something different! Matter
in my view is a "virtual reality", like ALL realities we will ever encounter
before we finally end up HOME!
As you say: Kun calls matter "the thin crust of an otherwise spiritual reality"
I agree with T. KUN! Matter is the ripple on an Ocean of Spirit or Energy and
you need a specific Instrument in order to see and experience it! The human
Body. I feel that you and I are here to discover that we are the Creator of
Matter as much and as easily as that we grow carrots and or watch our navel.
Our purpose is to KNOW OURSELVES. This to me is a deeper Knowing of Ourselves
and I am not sure that the world of man will get to this "knowing", once they
climb over this "heap of plenty". I did it without it and so did millions in
the past. It takes the experience of an old Soul to recognize itself, for it has
seen the mirror quite a few times! It's been there! It knows what it sees.
Another thing David, you speak about the Creator as if it is some kind of
different Force than we are. I see The Creator and all of us as ONE! We are
it!
I intuit the Creator or God to be: An Undifferentiated, an Unmanifested and an
Unconscious Force/Energy that becomes Differentiated, Manifested and Conscious
in Creation as the Created! Which are You and I and all Things!
Differentiation and Conscious Awareness is the objectification of and in our
manifested realities of which there are many for we are unlimited! The physical
is the "crust" or but one of these realities. The ripple on the Ocean.
Glad you send me all this stuff David, I would have been bored otherwise.
Thank you for your eforts to put me up to date and subscribing me.
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>From Morales?? Name? >> Gerardus says: We see or experience very
little of what really goes on in the universe.
Morales:>> (The Universe is immense. Or are you speculating that it is
miniscule if we could somehow encompass it all?) <<
Gerardus: I am saying that we see or experience very little of what goes on
for most of it is invisible. Energies we cannot sense! The entire Universe is
full! FULL! There are no open spaces! Only Energy-Clouds we cannot see or
feel or measure! Space is an Illusion! The entire Universe is a Mental
Phenomena and Mentality has no "immensity" Big or Small.
Yes, we can live in other than Matter, however the Name Matter is a misnomer! We
always live and are Energy. Matter is a special form of Energy. We were "alive"
before we entered this special State of Mind called the Matter world.
We as the Creative Energy Force have created limited Bodies and live in them
now! It puzzles the dickens out of us becase we do not know where we come from.
That why we created a God or Creator and say It did it. We are not responsible
for all this. We are the Cause and the effect. We as TIE "The Infinite
Essence" have put ourselves to sleep and dream that we are man. The dream is
real for all Dreams are real. However what is Real! 'Nuf said for now!
Some of us are in for a "shock" for the masses have not kept up with What IS!
What are UFOs? What are these figures in our fields? Who is stealing and
mutulation our cows in the field. Who impregnates our women and steals their
babies? The fact however is that most of Mankind is so fast asleep that NOTHING
is going to wake them up. Many of them are keep asleep on purpose! These are
the strange phenomena I refer to.
There are many Forces at work in our world! Some of Mankind will be so called
victims of their time to reincarnate again somewhere else and try again to
awaken! If you are interested in my entire philosophies I have a Disk-7 that
contains it all. $5.00 as Shareware and its yours. If you're interested please
let me know.
Thank you Morales...
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Gerardus: Thank you Paul for welcoming Cosmic Cookies. The jar is always
full, but the lid is not always open! So, possibly some will pop out and hit
your screen! Thank you!
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Michael G. Koopman:
>> Consider the physical models of matter, realizing none are even
remotely removed from the assumptions of the underlying theories which
develop the models. That is, the model representations show all of
the artifacts of the mathematics of the underlying theory - Hmmm,
coincidental? <<
Gerardus: Naturally none are coincidental! Scientist since ever create
whatever they discover. Maybe not each scientist discovers his/her own creation
but who else but "the Creator in Man and as Man" created what we find? Who else
is there? Well, we could assume that there are "others" out there, yes, sure,
but these others have enough wisdom at hand to leave us alone to discover our
own Creative Power and Possibilities. We are autonomous!
BTW: I also have my "thoughts about the Chicken and the Egg Nuance just ask for
it!
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Mike:>> Well, neglecting again the smell of thats spinning this way or that
when held by the tail based on genetic determinism let us proceed further into
the tiny, whiny islands of sub-atomic particles. How did we get so
small? Is it likely that we will get smaller still? <<
Gerardus: We will get as small as our visualization processes will let us. Our
Imagination is the limit! Since this is unlimited, all things will go in all
directions. Smallness and or Greatness in size are the Limits of our Mind, the
Creator's mind, working through and as Man consciously!
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Mike: >> Back to One Energy as Gerardus proclaims.
The make-up of our physical matter is (mostly) a field of variable
density. Aaah, but there are those "real" things, right? Wrong. The
"real" things in the atom are mostly a field of variable density.
Aaah, but there are those "real" things, right? Well, enough of that
for now (especially since it is "speculation" that those sub-atomic
"real" things are mostly a field of variable density).
Gerardus: What's going on Mike? You see it the way I do! Well, I'll be
dammerated, sanctified and forever gloating from now on in! I finally found
someone who can "see"! Congratulations Mike! I put Brackets on your word
"mostly" Mike. (See your quote) I think it should be left out.
I see the entire Universe as our Mind or Consciousness and it is an Energy that
appears or is spaced in Realms of Densities in which there are Nodes of
Awareness (Human Beings for example) who know what's going on. There are also
less-aware as well as more aware entities naturally for Man on Earth is not the
only one who is aware or asleep! There are also Energies that have to potential
to become more aware. This is so for the entire Universe is
Energy/Consciousness in evolution (Growth) infinitely.
Our Universe then, as our Mind or Consciousness is expressing itself in an
unlimited diversity of "Holographic Images of Itself", creating individualities
and within all Individualities and or Things, the entire Wholeness is
represented in order to assure nobody gets lost. IOW we all BELONG! Well now,
what else is new? And where is this Creator or God we have been talking about
for all these ages? IT is the ONE we ARE!
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Mike: >> But energy is organized in ways we cannot see. We can see big
material
things, but we don't see big energy things and we can pass right through them as
if they had no influence, since usually they do not; like a fast neutron passing
through your body. <<
Gerardus: Absolutely Mike! How the dickens did you get so smart??
BTW: I have a twelve page report on UFOS as well. At the moment I just
introduced it to the BRIDGE-L . I will send it to Mochin later on!
'nuf said Indeed!
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I know that I have not responded to all who took the pleasure and trouble to
taste my Cookies. I find it most pleasant however to have discovered that so
many of you ate them so quickly and tastefully. Thank you... a lot!
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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MOCHIN Digest 72
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Operation - Appearances -- Real or Illusion!
by koopman@ctc.com (Michael G. Koopman)
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Topic No. 1
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 94 3:20 +0300
From: koopman@ctc.com (Michael G. Koopman)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Operation - Appearances -- Real or Illusion!
Message-ID: <09080094032020@HUJIVMS>
Gerardus
> I know that I have not responded to all who took the pleasure and
> trouble to taste my Cookies. I find it most pleasant however to have
> discovered that so many of you ate them so quickly and tastefully.
> Thank you... a lot!
It is helpful to take them with a spoonful of diuretic, this does help
them pass faster. Although, I hate to see you pass an opportunity to
raise the issue of retentiveness, I see little reference to such work.
Nor do you seem to focus on the repression of cookies and cream,
either. Shame on you for missing such an opportunity.
> U3BTW: I have a twelve page report on UFOS as well. At the moment I
> just introduced it to the BRIDGE-L . I will send it to Mochin later
You seemed to have missed the connection between walruses, penguins,
porpoises and ice cream cones as well. Are you getting behind in your
reading? You haven't made much of a play on Aliens, either. The
concept of this big mother and the winged insects of various flavors
which she births is probably included in your UFO info. Gee thanks.
> This is so for the entire Universe is Energy/Consciousness in
> evolution (Growth) infinitely.
It is good that you have eliminated the dualistic materialism of the
Western diadactic and wheely have expanded yourself as one of those
spokes who nodes what's going on. Not to sound cocky.
At least we know you are not lukewarm, I suspect you are soon to
achieve cold fusion at near absolute zero. Best of luck.
> What we see and experience is not what is there!
> Including all Spooks and other temporary Apparitions and/or
> Realities
Is fear of such things, Apparitheid? Unseen causes are penultimately
figmentary? (This should give you an excellent lead for the retention
of things which Midas might convert through psi powers - Enjoy!)
Geradus, you are quite a brick, indeed. Please send your formula for
ma-sonic ghost blasters! BTW: if you created a box that absorbed the
energy of consciousness and placed it before God would there be an end
as the box consummed itself?
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MOCHIN Digest 73
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Tale of Two Forces - 1/6
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
2) Creation
by JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
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Topic No. 1
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 94 3:30 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Tale of Two Forces - 1/6
Message-ID: <09080094033005@HUJIVMS>
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To One and All...
To Mind and Heart...
Please consider these essays!
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I am open to positive as well as negative comments and will try to discuss them
in the open forum as time permit me to do so...
Gerardus - Edmonton Canada CompuServe 72704,731
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In order to save time/effort please refrain from making comments like:
-> "Gerardus - I think you need a quiet holiday on a neat little farm" <-
or similar references to my state of mind. I have heard them already!
----> Tale of Two Forces - The Game of God <----
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Part 1/6
This article touches upon the basic philosophies of the author
and should not be accepted as the absolute truth
by either human or alien.
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BEFORE WE BEGIN....
This is a humble attempt to give the reader a closer understanding of the
UFO Forces that visit our planet. This literature does not deal with so
called UFO phenomena. Meaning; the amount of people that have seen UFOs
or the scores of people who have had missing time periods or the amount of
women who might have been impregnated by these forces and/or how many new
cattle mutilation we have had this year or last year. No details will be
discussed in this material or article. It only deals with the how and why
the UFO Forces come to our planet!
There also is a certain amount of repetition utilized, since the concepts
discussed are difficult to understand and it will help to give the reader
a quicker grasp of things, without leafing back to: where was it now that
I read about that kind of stuff!
I hope that I have expressed this difficult subject clearly enough so that
most readers get a greater understanding of how things really are in these
so called enlightening times we're living in. I have tried to express the
"Truth of Things" with the patience of an old fashioned Angel and with the
determination of the most modern Saint I can think of. Me! Pun intended!
The following also contains some far sighted metaphysical philosophies for
they belong to the far reaching realities about UFOs. Please be patient if
you are not interested in all of it, some readers just might be!
Pleasant reading!
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FOREWORD....
Before we can explain what UFOs are, we first of all have to understand
what the basic medium of the universe really is. The entire universe is a
free and flowing vibration of energy that is infinite in its variety and
diversity. Also, the universe is full! There are no open spaces or areas
where "nothing" is happening! All visible and invisible aspects of the
universe are our very own mind or consciousness, engaged in the processes
of creation! It is also necessary to have some understanding of Time and
Space before the puzzling phenomena of UFOs can be understood. We begin
therefore, with a discussion of Time/Space and Matter!
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ABOUT TIME AND SPACE - THE CENTER POLES OF PHYSICAL REALITY!
We experience time and space when we are awake. And even then, depending
on our activity; time and space are quite flexible. The duration of time
and the volume of space, depend on our attention or focus. The more we
focus on either, the more pronounced they become! This suggests that time
and space are actually created by us and when we are unconscious or asleep
we stop creating them. Time and space are the center-poles of our matter
reality or physical world. They form the psycho-physical background of
our day to day existence. The more attention we give them, the more they
acquire! They are flexible components or conditions. Time and Space are
created by our mind, our brain and our senses, working in a synchronizing
energy field. The reality of time and space are generated by this special
energy field that we are involuntarily subjected to, as long as we live in
a physical body. Time and space, in and by themselves, do not exist and
we become more and more aware of them when we focus upon them and thus co-
create them. Time and space are each other's opposite. Time is the result
of movement and space is the distance traveled during this movement. Time
and space are also each other's mirror images. There is no time without
space and no space without time. Time and space are a continuum!
WE CREATE SPACE BY DEFAULT.
The universe around us is like an ocean full of vibrating energy in which
we swim. Different energies in this ocean vibrate in different patterns
and frequencies and these differences create different kinds of matter or
substances. Certain patterns and frequencies of vibration are noticed by
our sensory system and the substances that are experienced as material or
solid substances form our physical world and universe. The majority of
the activities that take place in our environment however, are beyond our
grasp. We experience only a small aspect of the total action! The total
activity IS the universal mind or the entire ocean of vibrations! Aspects
of this mind that are not noticed by us, leave openings and this gives us
the false or illusionary impression, that these openings are empty spaces.
We do not notice the energies that occupy these many openings because the
energies or objects that are there, are created by vibrating energies with
frequencies we cannot sense and therefore belong to another dimension. We
as human beings are not made to experience these other energy densities of
the Universal Mind. They belong to other realities or higher dimensions.
The energy-bodies of our deceased relatives could be standing right beside
us, but most people would never notice them, because we are not attuned to
the frequencies of the next dimension or density!
All realities, activities, objects or things are consciousness or mind in
vibration! The aspects we see or experience of this ocean of vibrating
mind; we call our surroundings. The things we do not sense or experience
are dismissed by us. However, they are still aspects of our surroundings.
Our invisible surroundings! We just do not notice these invisible energy
vibrations, but they occupy the openings or room we call space. We look
right through these energies, and therefore; we create space by default!
To be Continued on Aug. 11/94... So long for now...
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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Topic No. 2
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 94 4:18 +0300
From: JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Creation
Message-ID: <09080094041856@HUJIVMS>
Hello list members,
Existence is intricately structured on all levels. Order implies
purpose. There is a purpose which is inherent in existence and
intelligence. Therefore the world was created by an intelligence -
which we call God. We desire to be co-creators. In order that we can
create we are born with the desire to receive and the desire to give.
This gives us the ability to have compassionate, creative vision
which provides us with images of reality so we can transform our
environment into one free of restriction (able to realize its
potential) so it can develop naturally and holistically. God makes
what is spiritual into a physical world while we transform this
physical world into a spiritual reality.
Gerardus: What we call matter is the name we have given to energy in
our unconsciousness. What we see and experience is not what is
there! Our very eyes and experiences with matter have given us the
(unconscious) ideas that matter is a real, in and by itself,
substance. Matter is a form of Spirit - Energy.
Yes, matter is a form of energy.
It is also "the thin crust of an otherwise spiritual reality".
Matter is energy and energy is real - it is our reality.
There are different levels or dimensions of matter. Together they
make up reality - levels of experience we can touch. They exist
within each other and cannot exist without each other.
Matter "physical reality" is the lowest and coarsest form of energy.
Our body is made of this "coarse energy". This substance is "desire
to receive" - the potential to accommodate energy.
Our body is also imprinted with "the image of G-d". This gives the
body form allowing it to accommodate energy. This form is "desire to
give" - the potential to use our energy for creative vision. We are
microcosms mirroring existence and having unlimited potential.
Energy on higher levels manifests as finer energy. The body is a
receptacle for these finer energies. With the ability to receive
energy we become a potential influence. Matter and form together
form our "essence", our potential influence.
Once the body has incorporated some of the finer energies we have
"mind". The level of mind depends on the amount of energy it
incorporates. The mind can accommodate energy and realize and expand
intelligence from the faintest awareness up to total consciousness.
Potentially the body is all mind and is able to adapt to cosmic
reality - expand consciousness to realize all the levels within.
The level above matter is "spirit", which has it's own level of
materiality which is less coarse than matter but more coarse thanthe
next level which is "soul", which also has it's own level of
materiality. Spirit animates the different levels of being (essence)
and the soul is the highest level of being that does not include
eternal life - the full realization of individuality which results in
immortality.
There are states of consciousness that correspond to these different
levels of materiality. These depend on the amount of spiritual
development - how much of reality we have adapted to.
Each level has different characteristics. What we see and our place
in the cosmos depends on our level of being.
(The above is part of essence theory as explained in David's Summary
of Essence Theory. If you have not read it you can ask him for it)
to the revelation of Mind,
Jan
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MOCHIN Digest 74
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Gerardus: influence
by MARSHLU@vms.huji.ac.il
2) The Score is One to Zero...!
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
3) Depth Probe: On Duality -- Part One
by ake@lighthouse.com (Alan Eyzaguirre)
4) Creation - Continued...
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
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Topic No. 1
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 94 3:16 +0300
From: MARSHLU@vms.huji.ac.il
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Gerardus: influence
Message-ID: <9408100044.AA15495@mx.smtp.psi.net>
4 Elul, 5754
Hail Gerardus and list friends,
On Sun, 7 Aug 1994 Gerardus Tros, under the heading "Operation -
Appearances -- Real or Illusion!," wrote:
>Where did I say "save the world" ??
You didn't Gerardus. I was pulling your leg. In a letter to me
from some time back you indicated quite clearly that saving the
world was not your thing. The idea of redemption, for some of
us, implies what we believe to be techniques of influence more
effective than words, ideas or even examples. Some of us believe
in the spectacular potential (for the moment inadequately
expressed by science) of material transformation, expressed in
Hebrew as "Tikkun Olam BeMalchut Shadai" where some understand
"Malchut" (kingdom) to include physical reality.
Gerardus, you say,
>Unless we all understand that WE ARE ALL THINGS, including the
>world, we will never get anywhere. We MUST understand Who and
>What we really are first of all, before any responsible action
>from Mankind can be expected.
This is very spiritual but there are other interpretations which
anticipate that wisdom and understanding for the majority of
humanity will come differently, as a result of a radically
transformed environment, one that will reveal, through matter,
the compassion of the Creator for those who are unable to see
this from deep within the adversity and/or illusion in which
they may find themselves. Just as you may feel that your (elegant
and generous) expression of spiritual ideals on this and on
other lists may help open some eyes to a clearer view of
reality, others feel that material transformation is a more
effective infuence for this same result.
>Creating a world of "Material Abundance" by means of PM, will
>put the entire world of Man on the welfare list.
Gerardus, we are already on the welfare list. The air we breath,
the sunlight that vivifies us and everything alive is received
without perceptible effort. It is my belief that, thanks to
human creativity in emulation of the Creator, this will be
extended to material things.
According to some if not all versions of Jewish tradition, the
Sabbatical Millennium, slated to begin not later than (6,000 -
5754 =) 246 years from now, will be established for the
attainment of wisdom under the tutelage and guidance of the
Messiah. While concerning our physical needs, we may very well
be on what you call "the welfare list" we will work assiduously,
in spirit, to know our Creator. Once this has been accomplished
by the year 7,000, the free lunch will really begin. At that
time we will no longer feel we must "do" anything to pay for our
existence. We will finally comprehend that simply to receive the
Creator's infinite gift, fully and unreservedly, is the ultimate
payment.
>To expect them to wake up because of this is not my conviction
>as yet. I might put them to sleep longer and deeper then ever!
In this, Gerardus, you seem to be confusing affluence with
abundance. Affluence implies that some have and others don't
which enhances material values. The "have's" might easily become
complacent and indolent. But unlimited abundance, which is
clearly the expression of the highest spiritual principles in
matter, would create a world in which physical objects would
lose all value. Our unlimited desire would not change, but the
objects that we desire and cleave to would, by default, have to
change. Those values would necessarily by metaphysical.
Please look this "square in the eye" and let me know what you
come up with. I believe it is a revolutionary, esoteric concept
fully in harmony with Lurianic and Ashlagian Kabbalah. You are
great at giving, Gerardus, let's see if you can receive!
I agree that "Matter is a form of Spirit - Energy." This doesn't
mean that matter doesn't exist. Our material world was created
by our Creator and does exist, as matter, but as our perpective
widens we can begin to perceive that physical existence is only
the "thin crust" of reality. I am not sure that judging
exclusively from the point of view of the absolute is helpful in
learning to cope creatively with our present condition. When you
work on your camper, do you constantly see it as crystallized
spirit or is it matter for you most of the time?
>Our existence in this Earthly Plane however is called the
>Physical Experience but we are here mainly to see what it is
>like to be fooled by our own Creative Endeavors.
I don't think it is our "Creative Endeavors" that fool us so
much as our reluctance to creatively apply ourselves with all
our heart, spirit and means to the restrictive challenge of
matter that separates us from a universal awareness of the
spiritual nature of existence.
>Well, some of us have discovered that we are being fooled by our
>own senses, that in conjunction with our conscious mind have
>taken Mankind for a ride in the material World that we call
>Real!
It is not so much our senses that deceive us as the paradigm and
inadequate energy level behind those senses. After all, wisdom
varies from person to person and moment to moment quite
independently of our senses. And the "illusion," you will
notice, persists even after we affirm that there is no matter.
So as far as I can see, the total devaluation of matter is the
only way out of this fix.
>I feel that you and I are here to discover that we are the
>Creator of Matter as much and as easily as that we grow carrots
>and or watch our navel. Our purpose is to KNOW OURSELVES.
As I see it, Gerardus, the RESULT will be self-knowledge
(including knowledge of all things) but the PURPOSE is to
creatively and compassionately help one another. And your acts,
in this regard, Gerardus, speak more loudly to me than your
words. You are obviously striving hard to help others and in the
process you (and I) are learning about ourselves and existence
which, ultimately, are one.
>Another thing David, you speak about the Creator as if it is
>some kind of different Force than we are. I see The Creator
>and all of us as ONE! We are it!
Hmmm, I think there are a distinctions to be made here. First,
there is the Creator, unmanifest, of whom we can know nothing
and from whom we are separated by the fact that we are made of
lack and He, as Creator, cannot possibly have any lack at all.
Then there is the Creator "manifest" which in Hebrew we call
"the name" (HaShem or Shmo) which is existence as I think we
both see it. At the end of the Sabbatical Millennium, in the
year 7,000, it is said that "He and his name shall be one" (Hu
Echad uShmo Echad). Then the unity of what you call "You and I
and all Things" will be manifest.
>Glad you send me all this stuff David, I would have been bored
>otherwise.
Hope you still feel that way after attempting to ingest this
somewhat long, greasy, metaphysical (kosher) sausage.
Courage,
David
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Topic No. 2
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 94 11:48 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: The Score is One to Zero...!
Message-ID: <10080094114836@HUJIVMS>
To One and ALL...
Hail David...
I've read your last post and no kidding, you are a convincing Teacher!
However, I would like to keep my reserved doubt for a while, until the
conversion takes place from a Higher Level.
I'll study what you have said, and what others say and who knows...?
If the Light is Bright enough even blind people will see or feel it!
I also want to read the book a bit more...
Thank you for a very well put version of your "knowing" in words that I can
understand! Thank you! The score is One to Zero in your favor!
However, the game has just began!
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Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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Topic No. 3
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 94 1:33 +0300
From: ake@lighthouse.com (Alan Eyzaguirre)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Depth Probe: On Duality -- Part One
Message-ID: <11080094013318@HUJIVMS>
On Duality--Part Zero Contents
--Diary
* Zen Mirror
--Movies
* 2001
--Books
--Commentary
--Quotes
* Neo-Shamanism
* Religious Tacos
--Music
* Ramifications
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On Duality--Part Zero
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--DIARY
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Zen Mirror
Thought of the week:
Zen, the inexpressible concept Wholeness, is the polar opposite of
Archetype, the manifestation of elementary symbols.
Regardless of where you go, or what you do, you are manifesting an
archetype. Even the denial of the existence of a Jungian collective
conscious is an archetype.
I was walking down the street thinking about archetypes and Chaos. The
only thing that escapes the collective archetype's non-linear arms is
Zen because Zen in inhererently a personal/universal experience. As I
thought this, a kid skated by on FOUR wheels wearing the All-Seeing
Eye (check the back of a ONE Dollar bill for your personal copy). The
triangle connected me to the golden section, the Fibonacci sequence,
the mythical-physical-ness of SPIRALS. One cannot escape the aesthetic
perfection of the golden proportional harmony.
Is the all-seeing eye a manifestation of the orderly disorder of the
golden harmony? Is the golden section the ultimate manifestation of
"God", the ultimate algorithm?
--MOVIES
2001
Directed by Stanley Kubrick. Written by Arthur C. Clarke
There are very few movies that attempt to transform the theatre
experience into a complete encompassing other world. 2001 does with
its long cuts of deep space, sparse dialog and vivid symbols. They
draw you in.
After reading Doctress Neutopia's thesis, "Gaia, The Planetary
Religion," I saw the movie through the eyes of a feminist.
It amazed me to think that Arthur C. Clarke's vision of the first tool
was one of violence. Was the first instinct to fight or is this just
the male-dominated post-Darwinian thought? Imagine a movie where the
first tool was a shell used to carry water and/or plants from a field.
It would be a vessel, a more female form. One that leads to
agriculture, a very significant leap in the evolution of civilization.
Another evil-male thought -- why was the monolith such a phallic
symbol? Couldn't it have been a circle or a sphere? After this
question materialized, I saw the sequence where Dave is an old man on
a bed. He reaches up towards the monolith, then the camera zooms in
and through the monolith suggesting a rebirth experience. The monolith
is a unified representation of man and woman.
I thought about the monolith from the first moment I walked into the
theatre. I noticed that the screen itself was the same proportion as
the monolith. As I watched the apes worship the monolith, I noticed
the strange familiarity of its ratios -- 1 unit deep by 5 units wide
by 13 units tall. It was, of course, members of the omnipresent
Fibonacci sequence. I couldn't help but laugh. In addition, I noticed
that HAL's face place is composed of two rectangle, one 5x8 and the
smaller 5x3. Together they create a classical construction of the
golden section.
It is as if the knowledge of the monolith, representative of the
golden section, surfaced through millions of years of knowledge
gathering only to resurface at the ultimate creation of man -- a self
reflection.
I saw crosses everywhere for the first time. The shuttle that first
pulls into the space station is an obvious cross. It is also the same
shape as the flag in the briefing room where Dr. Floyd talks about the
cover up. Finally, another prominent and most significant cross is the
antenna on the Jupiter space craft. As Frank goes for his last space
walk, he is sacrificed. He almost becomes a Jesus figure in order for
Dave to transcend beyond the infinite.
Watching the glorification of the space program, I started wondering
about Kubrick's angle. All of those incredible special effects were
dazzling, but possibly too much of a propaganda film for NASA. Was
this really the same director who did "Dr. Strangelove," an
anti-establishmentary film? But then I thought about the fact that HAL
fails. In other words, even though the surface may seem that
male-centric tools have evolved into nearly human forms, they are
still faulty and sinister.
In 1968, a year before the landing on the moon, Clarke and Kubrick
subtly suggested the natural tendency of authority to cover up details
from their citizens. The idea that proof of intelligent life is coming
back into vogue, including new subverted pictures of strange
formations on the surface of Mars and the Moon. Yet, the government
won't comment on the existence of these features. If they ever
acknowledge a fact, it is usually trivialized to coincidence. If
intelligent life is out there, one can be pretty sure that it won't
come from the government. It is interesting that 2001 demonstrates
that fact. It is almost suggesting, "Question Authority."
Was HAL intelligent? Sure he played chess and could talk. We all know
that is not a big deal. But the idea that he was starting to panic and
essentially "went nuts" seems to prove that he went out of the realm
of his programming and into his own conscious desicions. The fact that
his analysis of the "AE-35" unit did not match with the mirror machine
seems to suggest that he had drifted into his own world. Did the
suppression of secret message (revealed when Dave turns off HAL's
higher brain functions) cause his system to overload an inadvertently
start a chain reaction that caused consciousness? If it did, I believe
that that scenario would be out of the linearity of programming by
humans and caused by a chance reaction within the breakdown within the
scope of his logic system.
The trippy ending to the movie almost seems like an homage to the
sixties. Although I admired the technical aspects, the revelation to
me was the way that the seemingly random sequence of images told a
very concrete story. First, some of the moons of Jupiter line up. Then
the monolith crosses the intersection towards the top leaving a
lasting impression of yet another cross. It implies the rebirth
archetype that has been mutilated (so to speak) by Christianity. This
begins the THIRD movement of the movie, a spiritual rebirth of Dave.
The first sequence is a vertical scape of flowing images. The
sequences shown along the sides are very basic repeating pyramid
structures of familiar fractal forms. The entire scene is very
digital, implying the basic foundation of existence as the separation
between moments of zeros and ones, of space and matter, of woman and
man. As the movement continues, we see Dave's face vibrate into higher
energy levels. As the process continues, the axis shift begins and the
colors now come from a horizontal line. These lines are far more
complicated. There are sin waves, a second level formation on mere
lines. They imply 2 dimensions.
Then, FIVE diamonds appear circulating a wheel of color. The diamonds
are two pyramids with the same ratios as the Pyramids of Egypt. The
five become seven, another holy number. These diamonds are the only
physical suggestion of extraterrestrial intelligence within the final
sequence other than the murmuring voices in the final bedroom
sequence.
The next sequence is of organic flows, like oil rainbows on water.
There is one sequence where a red ball becomes a fetus. This is a
second birth. Then, the final trip sequence is that of canyon
landscapes done in high contrast film. As the camera zooms past the
different cliff formations, one can see that these are fractal
landscapes. This implies that our third origin is that of chaos,
controlled disorder, or the laws of disorder. The duality of order and
disorder exist as mirrors of each other. Together, they form the core
of our existence, the regenerative chaos.
The trip sequence is a confrontation with the master algorithm. We see
it evolve from basic order, to second order sin waves to third order
chaotic forms. The three combine to a single vision of meaning -- one
of the many secrets of the monolith.
There is so much meaning inside of 2001. The loose archetypes can be
read in a million different ways and that is probably the way Kubrick
and Clarke intended it. This masterpiece is the most hopeful
prediction of the future -- that we are inescapably due for a quantum
leap in our cognitive evolution.
--BOOKS
Power of Limits
Gyorgy Doczi
Walking around William Stout's Architecture Bookstore (near the
TransAmerican PYRAMID), a book caught my eye because of a spiral. I
have a real attraction towards them being that I feel they are the
core of existence. The cover had architectural renderings with
measurements of temples, bugs, fish and human bodies. I was sold.
The book attempts to find a unity between everything from cockroaches
to the Parthenon of Athens. It does so by analysing the golden section
and the Fibonacci sequence. His incredible drawings map focal points
of different objects to a controlled spiral map. Each time, the spiral
seems to line up to the object. His controlling point is:
The pentagon and the pentagram, like all patterns, are defined by
their limits. Incorporated in the harmonious patterns of fruits and
flowers, they exemplify an epigram attributed to Pythagoras, that
limit gives form to the limitless. This is the power of limits.
And his simple explanation of the golden section is:
a uniquely reciprocal relationship between two unequal parts of a
whole, in which the small part stands in the same proportion to the
large part as the large part stands to the whole.
or
A is to B as B is to A + B
or
5 / 8 ~ 0.6 and 8 / (5 + 8) ~ 0.6
(tee hee hee)
and concludes
On any given line there is only one point that will bisect it into
two unequal parts in this uniquely reciprocal fashion, and this one
point is called the point of golden section. The complete
reciprocity of this proportion strikes us as particularly harmonious
and pleasing...
The idea is that everything that is harmonious and aesthetically
pleasing is controlled by central rules. Within these rules, creations
of all types can be described. It is almost as potent as saying "God
is an algorithm"
The incredible part about the book is that Doczi manages to map both
organic and man-made structures. In addition, within the scope of
inorganic strucures, he everything from prehistoric cave paintings to
modern 747's and from Western architectural pieces like the Colosseum
to the Eastern Zen Garden of Ryoan-ji temple. In addition, he maps
concepts like musical harmonies and socialism to these golden series.
Quite a mean feat. The amazing part is that he pulls it off. The
physical drawings register in your mind. It isn't just a bunch of
crunchy new-age wawa, it is a real analysis of the physical.
--COMMENTARY
Interactive Fibonacci
Numbers are so concrete, but filled with mysteries. They fool one into
thinking that they have a "scientific" grasp, yet, it is often
impossible to state the reason that strange coincidences appear all
over the world of math. My favorite mathematical distraction is the
Fibonacci sequence because so many magic numbers come up along the
way. These numbers have become a part of the western culture and
appear everywhere. Sometimes by choice, sometimes by pure coincidence
but always by man's feeble attempt of implying meaning behind the
mystical of numbers. Can you believe there was once (and possibly
still is) a cult of the Golden Section? Did you know that the
Kabbalah, an ancient religious Hebrew text and the basis of many
occult studies, is based on many number games?
3, the holy trinity, the all-seeing eye, the pyramids of Egypt and
Mexico 5, pentagrams, pentagons, the Pythagorean fellowship, your
hands, many flowers...
8, the wheel of fortune
13, Jesus and the 12 disciples. The Thirteen colonies (those wacky
early American Masons).
144, as in 144,000 chosen people in the book of Revelations. This
little reference in the Bible is the source of at least one
religion, The Church of the Latter Day saints.
.666, the number of the beast (when 2, a symbol of humanity (i.e.
man and woman)) is placed over 3, a symbol of God.
--QUOTES
Neo-Shamanism
"Born Again Pagan"
Bumper sticker
Religious Tacos
"I can't believe how the spiral symbol is being abused by today's
advertising companies. I feel the spiral is the ultimate religious
symbol. But now I see is used to push everything from symphonies to
tacos."
"You would not make it in the world of advertising," said Leo. Their
goal is to trivialize the spiritual.
--MUSIC
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Ramifications
Gyorgy Ligeti
After watching 2001, I realized I wanted the trip to last longer. Off
I went to the holy shrine of Ameoba Records (in Berkeley) and found a
load of Ligeti, the composer the spacy-pre-ambient music in the movie.
(This week's subtheme is -- Cool people named Gyorgy). Not knowing
where to start, I picked the one with a great cover -- the Escher
print, "Concave and Convex."
As I listened to the music, I thought of Stravinsky. In fact,
"Ramifications" seems to be almost a tribute to "Rite of Spring,"
which was composed in 1947(?).
The orchestra played out the bizarre connections of Ligeti's
mathematically oriented pieces. Many of them sounded like ripples in
water. Others sounded like the gradual build up and destruction of
syncopations. I thought about modern ambient like the Aphex Twin. What
would Richard James do with an orchestra? Or maybe a better question
is what would Ligeti do with sampling equipment.
I could just see that the work of synchronizing an orchestra would not
be as easy as timing some MIDI or micro-editing some wave forms. But
the reality of the performance might lend some coincidental
pos-cidents (a positive-accident).
Ligeti was truly ahead of his time. He was a Columbus (minus the
raping and pillaging) charting the new world of atmospheric
compositions.
@
Alan Eyzaguirre
ake@lighthouse.com
http://www.lighthouse.com/~ake/DepthProbe/index/home.html
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Topic No. 4
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 94 2:07 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Creation - Continued...
Message-ID: <11080094020708@HUJIVMS>
To One and All...
To Jan Shepher and her Spirit!
First of all Jan, thank you for your response to my questions. ... and let me
tell you; I agree in "general" with your answers. Here and there however, I
respectfully differ with your answers and I would like to go over some of these
points...
I appreciate that you go all out to answer when and wherever you can. I have
worked 41 years myself and I remember what it means to be bussssy...
Here is the first point:
It's about the spelling of the word God ---> G-d My question was why?
Jan: It is a tradition to help us remember the infinite gulf between Him
and us. Also it is a way of showing respect. Many traditions do not
write the full holy name on any document that may find its way into
the trash.
Gerardus: ! tradition !
Is not doing things the traditional way hanging on to the past?
Shouldn't we try to live in the present? The past was good for whatever it was
then!... and now we move on forwards. Isn't it time to forget about
traditions and the past? We ought to step into every new day with a new and
fresh outlook. Brand new every day, every life... Are not traditions the very
cause for disagreements and war in our world?
---------------------------------------
Jan: ... to help us remember the infinite gulf between Him and us.
Gerardus: ! the infinite gulf ! Don't you think that if this gulf is
"infinite" no Human Being will ever bridge it!! I feel that God or The Light
LIVES within us and IS us, either in an enlightened manner or in a manner not so
enlightened. As far as I intuit or know; there is only God or the Light.
We are God's Instruments if you like. And if it was not for the closeness of
God we wouldn't be able to do anything. God to me is as close as my
Heart/Soul/Mind or whatever you want to call it. To experience God is my every
day pleasure for it is the very life within me.
My God is Mankind/Alienkind/Spacebrotherkind and every big and little thing in
the visible and/or invisible universe. I feel that God or The Light IS its own
Creation. As a matter of fact: I see NO GULF AT ALL!
Some people even suggest nowadays that God is the "quantum foam" some scientist
speak about and they call it the "Implicate" or "Unmanifested" Reality of the
Universe. Creation and we are the Explicate, the Expressed or manifested
aspects of this Infinite Energy.
----------------------------------
Jan:... Also it is a way of showing respect. Many traditions do not
write the full holy name on any document that may find its way into
the trash.
Gerardus: Do you think that God is pleased by/with our respect? Is God that
insecure that God needs our respect or approval? Do you feel that these people
(and their traditions) throw God in the Trash Can, because God's name is on a
piece of paper or on an Internet Post? To me this sounds very silly indeed,
but I have no objections if people demonstrate their silliness.
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Jan: ... we can labour as co-creators and "earn" the infinite good stored up
for us.
Gerardus: ... to "earn" the infinite Good...? This is puzzling me. In your
last post you did not answer this question. Or did I miss it altogether?
In my view: by being what we are, we become what we must! IOW: the reward is in
the "doing", in the "living" !! I do not feel that I have to earn any infinite
good because I'm already "living it right now!
Like David said: I'm already on the Welfare List as far as the Universe is
concerned. The good of the Universe is infinitely shared among those who are
capable of receiving it, in any which way, and especially so, if they have
learned how to pass it on to others. God helps those, who help themselves...
------------------------------------------
Jan: G-d created us to have abundance - G-d created us through compassionate,
creative vision.
Gerardus: Hmmm. Does this abundance have to be created by Mankind or by God? Is
that what Project Mind is all about? Is not Project Mind - God working through
all the co-creators called Human kind? I think so. Is not this the ONLY way
God could do any work whatsoever, through or by means of Man? (Man includes any
and all SpaceBeings and/or Invisible Entities as far as I'm concerned)
You know Jan; I feel/intuit that we as Human Beings are co-creators and that the
entire universe is full of co-creators. We as Mankind might even have been
created by co-creators. Why not? Do not WE grow or breed or create in some
fashion carrots, lettuce, potatoes, race horses and all kinds of other animals,
bacteria, viruses and nuclear bombs?
I feel that the entire universe is full of co-creators. The funny thing is:
that the Creator itself never shows up at all, except through and by means of
all these co-creators, big and small. Yes, even a mouse or an ant are
co-creators. The Creative vision of God LIVES within all of these co-creators.
It is the only way for this God to be alive anyplace I feel, what do you
think/feel about that?
I'm not sure whether you have time to answer all my above questions Jan. I hope
however that you do not take my questions to seriously. ... and please do not
work too hard.
Life is a Celebration and the Infinite Good is all around you! A Universe full
of it! It's called the Kingdom of God! Naturally we must try to improve this
Kingdom. Well, by being what we are, the Kingdom will grow and grow. Not to
worry, God is alive and well in ALL of us.
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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MOCHIN Digest 75
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Creation - Continued...
by Ronald Reynolds <absolute@netcom.com>
2) Tale of Two Forces - 2/6
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
3) Creation continued...
by JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
4) Creation continued...
by koopman@ctc.com (Michael G. Koopman)
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Topic No. 1
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 94 19:30 +0300
From: Ronald Reynolds <absolute@netcom.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Re: Creation - Continued...
Message-ID: <11080094193000@HUJIVMS>
Gerardus;
In an earlier piece you said "... we are here mainly to see what it is
like to be fooled by our own creative endeavors." This has bothered me
ever since I read it. If the purpose of life is to be fooled, then does
it really matter what we do with this life? Wouldn't a bigger endeavor
(such as the one you have undertaken) just make you a bigger fool? Life
must have more meaning. Also, if this is your major premise, do the
rest of your ideas rest on top of this idea?
Looking forward to your reply.
Ron
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Topic No. 2
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 94 19:31 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Tale of Two Forces - 2/6
Message-ID: <11080094193119@HUJIVMS>
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
To One and All...
To Mind and Heart...
----> Tale of Two Forces - The Game of God <----
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Part 2/6
SPACE IS FULL OF ENERGY VIBRATIONS.
In other words: space is not nothingness or empty! It is full of energy
vibrations that are not noticed or sensed by us. When we live in a human
body, physical reality is the main vibration of the universal mind we are
able to experience. This vibration or reality includes time and space for
they are the most important aspects of the scenery or stage we perform on.
Physical reality is a minuscule aspect of the infinite spectrum of energy
vibrations we call the universal mind. However, since we as human beings
have our existence in a physical reality at this moment in time, does not
mean that our reality is the only one. Naturally, there are an infinite
amount of realities. It's up to us to discover them! The UFOs and their
inhabitants "emerge" from the invisible realities or cosmic energies that
are invisible to us, but are surrounding us at all times!
MATTER - THE BEAUTIFUL ILLUSION!
Matter in and by itself as a solid substance, does not exist! Matter is an
energy vibration of a specific type and frequency within a certain band or
range of the spectrum. This frequency band contains all known or physical
phenomena that take place in our physical universe. Some scientists think
that 90% of our universe is missing. They probably come to this conclusion
because they are only using 10% of their brain. Which is not all that bad,
for most people use only 5% of what is available. Maybe the reason why all
of us return to this earth repeatedly, is to learn to use the rest that is
available. The universe is complete and not a thing is left out, except
full understanding for Mankind at this period of our endeavor. Since mind
or consciousness is all there is in the universe, the seeming expansion of the
physical universe, is the expansion of our awareness or understanding expressed
in physical phenomena.
THE UNIVERSE OR UNIVERSAL MIND IS ONE!
When we are able to experience all energy vibrations or dimensions of the
universal mind, we will soon discover that the visible and the invisible
universes have merged. All universes are really one! Since we as human
beings experience certain vibrations only, we therefore experience certain
aspects of the universe only! The aspects we experience form the physical
reality or the Plane of Separation. All things seem to be separated from
each other. Physical reality is basically an illusion! What we see is not
really there as a solid substance. We have purposely chosen to experience this
illusionary reality by living lives as human beings!
Life as a human being therefore is a celebration! We are the Essence
of the universe and we have succeeded in creating a "vehicle" for our
Mind/Soul to live in that allows us to experience specific aspects of
our creation only! It's an absolutely astounding achievement!
However, when Godbeings separate themselves from their own Wholeness, they
invariably get lost in their creation or dream! This is what has happened
to mankind! We are aspects of our own universal mind and at this moment
we dream that we are separate entities living in a body that is subjected
to time and space. In order for us to return to our Source or Wholeness,
we must awaken and attain Cosmic Consciousness. Also called; The Christ
or Buddha Consciousness. We are this Consciousness, but do not know it!
Eventually all human beings will attain the levels of awareness necessary
to promote themselves to the higher levels of consciousness or mind. Yes,
by all means remember that we're not here because we have sinned and have
been kicked out of Heaven. We are here to experience our physical reality!
TRAVELING FROM THOUGHT TO THOUGHT.
Since we are consciousness or mind and all things are different vibrations
of mind; we should be able to travel from vibration to vibration - or from
thought to thought. This will show us that time and space are psycho-
physical conditions and are created by the vehicles we live in! Traveling
from thought to thought has been mastered by the UFO Intelligences. Their
crafts enable them to go any place in the universe they can think of. They
are the free Godbeings of the universe and the highest among them, do not
even need a vehicle or craft to go anywhere. Their thought will place them
wherever they are needed. They do not really travel!
ABOUT THE DIMENSIONS OR DENSITIES OF THE UNIVERSE.
We live in a universe; that has at least seven 7 dimensions or densities.
Human beings at this moment are living in the third dimension or density
and transcendence to the fourth is just around the corner for some of us.
Most UFO Forces occupy the fifth and sixth density and the highest levels
or densities are occupied by the Great Consciousnesses who are in command
or control of specific areas of the universe or Universal Mind in Action.
The highest level of all is the very Source in Bliss enjoying the Infinite
Knowingness that All is Well and always will be! It is ALL and always was!
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To be Continued on Aug. 18/94... So long for now...
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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Topic No. 3
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 94 22:59 +0300
From: JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Creation continued...
Message-ID: <11080094225921@HUJIVMS>
Hello list members,
Creation continued...
Our bodies are created from two things - matter and form. Form (the
imprint of the "image of G-d") enables us to accomodate energy (the
energy of life - light). It makes us receptacles for the energy G-d
gives us. That energy is intelligence and we can contain, express
and expand our intelligence.
It is the second component of essence, form, which gives us our
unlimited potential by enabling us to accomodate the energy of life.
Once the material body is imprinted with the "image of G-d" it
becomes a reflection of the image of G-d. G-d created us to have
abundance - G-d created us through compassionate, creative vision.
We who wish to be co-creators must have the same desire to give. To
have this desire we have to be separated from Him and the energy of
life but yet remember Him. Our unconscious must yearn to return to
its original infinite state, so these vague memories are etched in
us. Without them we would have no desire. The "desire to give"
endows the body with form because it motivates us to receive. Our
purpose is giving, the means receiving. To give we must receive.
Once the body receives energy from G-d we have mind which can
contain, expand and express intelligence.
We use this intelligence to adapt to cosmic reality. Since we are
co-creators we are meant to use our energy for compassionate creative
vision in the realization of the cosmic plan. The plan is that G-d
makes what is spiritual into a physical world and we transform this
physical world into a spiritual reality. Each of us must determine
our specific purpose (destiny) in this transformation process by
contacting the deeper layers of our essence where our individuality
lies.
Once we know what our specific purpose is, we fulfil it through
effective transmission of influence. We receive from above to extend
influence below. The more we open to impressions, the more bounty is
transmitted through us. The larger the conduit we represent the
richer we become. This does not come from what we keep, but from
being the site through which increasingly larger amounts of energy
flow. When we fill our reason for being through effective
transmission of influence by transforming the world, we ourselves are
transformed. Also, we fulfil our desire to be co-creators by
transforming this physical world into a spiritual one and in so doing
we become closer to rejoining Him.
The validity of our selected aim is measured by the degree of self
realization resulting from the attainment of the aim. This is our
reward. If we don't come close to our specific purpose then we don't
reach the level of self realization that we could have and we don't
fulfil our potential. This of course effects everyone and the fate
of the world because we haven't fulfilled our part in compassionate,
creative world transformation.
Creativity: The ardent essence-desire to receive from above in order
to extend influence below - to become a channel.
- T. Kun
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Topic No. 4
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 94 1:30 +0300
From: koopman@ctc.com (Michael G. Koopman)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Creation continued...
Message-ID: <12080094013038@HUJIVMS>
Jan,
> Our unconscious must yearn to return to its original infinite state,
> so these vague memories are etched in us.
Not meaning to pick on you over one form, or use, of language and
perhaps expressing my view backwards (forward in the rearview mirror
of life?), or, my desire to return what I had a bit retentively, I
have a problem with this statement and several like it in many
messages on this mailng list. I take issue with the possibility of an
interpretation of the concept of our infinite state, as one which is
G-d. Language make it difficult to state that one believes we return
to be of G-d eternally, one interpretation, perhaps, of infinite
state, from an interpretation which identifies us as being gods, being
infinite state. Does anyone doubt the significance of this
difference? I ask that the distinction be made clear in such
statements in a way perhaps more reserved than my writing, here.
The statement is also a bit bothersome to me owing to an apocolyptic
sense to it. I read in it, in the context, as possibly expressing a
desire to reach the afterlife in a way which desires the end of life
through death. I presume you desire to be brought before G-d without
experiencing death and attempt to meet the expectation you feel are
necessary to achieve this possibility.
> Each of us must determine our specific purpose (destiny) in this
> transformation process by contacting the deeper layers of our essence
> where our individuality lies.
Is this what Gerardus refers to as contemplating our navels? What do
you believe is necessary to "know thyself" in this way?
> Also, we fulfil our desire to be co-creators by transforming this
> physical world into a spiritual one and in so doing we become closer
> to rejoining Him.
>
> This of course effects everyone and the fate of the world because we
> haven't fulfilled our part in compassionate, creative world
> transformation.
You seem to be non-committal to One Soul? One shared destiny you make
clear. How are one shared destiny and the commitment to One Soul so
different?
Mike Koopman internet: koopman@ctc.com phone: +1-814-269-2637
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MOCHIN Digest 76
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Creation continued
by JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
2) We are the Creator in Hiding...!
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
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Topic No. 1
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 94 7:59 +0300
From: JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Creation continued
Message-ID: <12080094075914@HUJIVMS>
Hello list members,
In response to Gerardus...
Gerardus:
>It's about the spelling of the word G-d. My question was why.
>Jan:
>It is a tradition to help us remember the infinite gulf between Him
and us. Also it is a way of showing respect. Many traditions do not
write the full holy name on any document that may find its way into
the trash.
>Gerardus: ! tradition !
Is not doing things the traditional way hanging on to the past?
Shouldn't we try to live in the present? The past was good for
whatever it was then!... and now we move on forwards. Isn't it
time to forget about traditions and the past? We ought to step into
every new day with a new and fresh outlook. Brand new every day,
every life... Are not traditions the very cause for disagreements
and war in our world?
Traditions are good if they show us how to emulate the creator, to
have love and respect for the value of life (all of creation and the
creator). It is "lack" of love and respect for life which causes
problems.
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>Gerardus:
>! the infinite gulf ! Don't you think that if this gulf is
"infinite" no Human Being will ever bridge it!! I feel that God or
The Light LIVES within us and IS us, either in an enlightened manner
or in a manner not so enlightened. As far as I intuit or know; there
is only God or the Light.
>My God is Mankind/Alienkind/Spacebrotherkind and every big and
little thing in the visible and/or invisible universe. I feel that
God or The Light IS its own Creation. As a matter of fact: I see NO
GULF AT ALL!
>Some people even suggest nowadays that God is the "quantum foam"
some scientist speak about and they call it the "Implicate" or
"Unmanifested" Reality of the Universe. Creation and we are the
Explicate, the Expressed or manifested aspects of this Infinite
Energy.
There is an infinite gulf between Him and us - He is complete, we are
incomplete; we have misery and suffering, He has ecstacy.
The creator created the cosmos (existence) which is what we call the
creator "manifest". Then there is the creator "unmanifest" who we
cannot know at all. The only aspect of the creator we know is
existence. There are other aspects of the creator which he has not
manifested. We cannot know these. We are made of "lack". This
separates us from the creator because he has no lack, he is complete.
While we receive light from G-d, it is only a portion of the light.
Also, the chaotic state the world is in and the suffering we have is
due to the separation between Him and us.
Remembering this gulf reminds us of these things and that our purpose
is to compassionately and creatively help one another and to
transform the world into a spiritual reality.
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>Jan:... Also it is a way of showing respect. Many traditions do not
write the full holy name on any document that may find its way into
the trash.
>Gerardus: Do you think that God is pleased by/with our respect?
Is God that insecure that God needs our respect or approval? Do you
feel that these people (and their traditions) throw God in the Trash
Can, because God's name is on a piece of paper or on an Internet
Post? To me this sounds very silly indeed, but I have no objections
if people demonstrate their silliness.
The respect is in the doing. It is a way of showing that we respect
the value of all life. It is us who need to remember respect. We do
it to help us remember to have love and respect for the value of
life.
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>Jan: ... we can labour as co-creators and "earn" the infinite good
stored up for us.
>Gerardus: ... to "earn" the infinite Good...? This is puzzling me.
In your last post you did not answer this question. Or did I miss it
altogether?
In my view: by being what we are, we become what we must! IOW: the
reward is in the "doing", in the "living" !! I do not feel that I
have to earn any infinite good because I'm already "living it right
now!
>Like David said: I'm already on the Welfare List as far as the
Universe is concerned. The good of the Universe is infinitely shared
among those who are capable of receiving it, in any which way, and
especially so, if they have learned how to pass it on to others.
God helps those, who help themselves...
Yes, this is how you earn it - by passing it on to others. Our
purpose is to compassionately and creatively help one another and by
so doing transform the world into a spiritual reality. By doing this
we earn the good stored up for us. The result is self knowledge or
self realization - we ourselves are transformed.
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>Jan: G-d created us to have abundance - G-d created us through
compassionate, creative vision.
>Gerardus: Hmmm. Does this abundance have to be created by Mankind
or by God? Is that what Project Mind is all about? Is not Project
Mind - God working through all the co-creators called Human kind? I
think so. Is not this the ONLY way God could do any work whatsoever,
through or by means of Man? (Man includes any and all SpaceBeings
and/or Invisible Entities as far as I'm concerned)
G-d has already created it.
It remains for us to realize it.
The abundance is already here, but we don't see (know) it.
This is because what we see depends on our level of being.
Our state of consciousness (how much of reality we have adapted to)
corresponds to the different levels of materiality.
Our consciousness has not reached a level that would correspond with
the higher more spiritual levels of matter. That is, we
are not at a level where we can learn the secrets of nature.
Right now matter gives expression to lack and obscures the spiritual
side of life. Many people in the world due to illusion and/or
adversity do not see the spiritual side of life. Also there is much
illness and suffering. We all live at different levels. Some live in
different levels of distraction and others in different levels of
consciousness.
G-d wants us all to have unlimited abundance. Our purpose as
co-creators is to bring this to realization. The way to do this is
to learn the secrets of nature so that we can gain mastery over
matter.
Project Mind intends to do just this. To learn the secrets of nature
so that we can gain mastery over matter and produce material
abundance. When this happens matter will express it's spiritual side
- abundance.
With unlimited material abundance everyone will have what they need
for physical survival and everyone will be free to develop
spiritually to their full potential.
Material abundance also provides the necessary conditions for the
coming of the Messiah and the beginning of the Millenium - the 1,000
years of peace, when we will reach our spiritual potential.
_____________________________________
>Gerardus: I feel that the entire universe is full of co-creators.
The funny thing is: that the Creator itself never shows up at all,
except through and by means of all these co-creators, big and small.
Yes, even a mouse or an ant are co-creators. The Creative vision of
God LIVES within all of these co-creators.
It is the only way for this God to be alive anyplace I feel, what do
you think/feel about that?
Yes, this is how the creator manifests, through all living things.
However the potential of each living organism is determined by its
level of being.
__________________________________________
>Gerardus: I'm not sure whether you have time to answer all my above
questions Jan. I hope however that you do not take my questions to
seriously. ... and please do not work too hard.
I always make time to answer, like everyone sometimes it just takes
longer to answer than other times.
While I do take life seriously, that does not preclude enjoying life.
It is exactly because I enjoy life that I desire life to be better
for everyone.
to the revelation of Mind,
Jan
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Topic No. 2
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 94 7:54 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: We are the Creator in Hiding...!
Message-ID: <12080094075404@HUJIVMS>
To One and All...
Hail to Ron R.
Ron: > In an earlier piece you said "... we are here mainly to see what it is
like to be fooled by our own creative endeavors." This has bothered me
ever since I read it. If the purpose of life is to be fooled, then does
it really matter what we do with this life? Wouldn't a bigger endeavor
(such as the one you have undertaken) just make you a bigger fool? Life
must have more meaning. Also, if this is your major premise, do the
rest of your ideas rest on top of this idea? <<
Gerardus: Glad you jump right in there Ron, for it sure looks like a pretty wild
statement. I like to expand upon it and here I go:
First of all; the word "mainly" is a poor choice! I should have used 'part'
'aspect' or 'also'. Sorry about that, however an answer is still required!
Answer::
Gerardus: The Creator in its infinite Wisdom, infinite Power and Creative
Endeavors and Possibilities manifests (manifested) itself and two of these
possibilities are Gerardus and Ron. What I'm trying to say is; that the Creator
in its infinite wanderings and capriciousness creates images of itself, and as
you might guess; two of these are You and I.
So who are we? In my view we are the "Creator's Image" or "Duplicate in Human
Form" and we, as mankind upon this earth, are a new adventure of the Creator.
This Human-Adventure starts all anew and all of us are innocent and ignorant
from the beginning, but ready to discover or rediscover Who or What we really
are. This takes many lifetimes in my view and some of us work at it a bit
harder than others.
I, in my simple mindedness, have discovered, in my way, that I am the Creator as
a Human Being at this time. So, I have come to the conclusion that I am the
very Creative Force of the Universe as a Human Being and live in an illusionary
reality that has fooled Human Beings from the beginning of time. Naturally it
would! For we are but "beginners" in this game of Hide and Seek. The Creator
hides within its Creation (and/or Man) and Man discovers who or what he really
is and becomes more and more aware to eventually unites with its Higher Self.
Time however is an illusionary reality and in actuality we are all One all
ready!
After living in this Human Condition for many lifetimes, I have finally found
out or discovered Who or What I really am! I have what is called a state of
mind that could be called "Self-Realization". I realize Who or What I am. I
realize that I am the Self!
Naturally, this does not make me any better or more than anybody else!!!
Please remember this...
The only difference is, that I know that I'm not my Name, my Face, my Address,
whatever I have, or whatever I know. I am none of this! I am the Creator in
Human Form writing to Ron at this particular moment. I am the Creator in Human
Form functioning as a writer! As the Creator I have to live in some kind of
form in order to write, for I cannot just stick my hand out of the sky and
write. Not even if I wanted to! I do this by means of Humans Beings and other
kinds of Beings!
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Here is your sentence or question: If the purpose of life is to be fooled, then
does it really matter what we do with this life?
Gerardus' answer: The Purpose of Life is not --> to be fooled!
The purpose of life is to awaken!!
I Don't think that I said that the purpose of life is to be fooled...
All of mankind is in a process of awakening and sooner or later we will all
realize Who or What we really are and have a good laugh at ourselves, for we
understand then that the predicament we are in, of whatever size, nature or
duration, is the predicament we have "put" ourselves in!
We as the very Universal Creator have split ourselves from the One into the
Many, and as soon as we gather enough awareness as one of the Many, we try to
answer the question: Why am I here? Well, I have been able to answer it and I
find that my answer agrees with the answers of many other people in the past,
the present and naturally in the future. Not only that... it satisfies my
wondering and/or curious mind. I know now, who or what I am and what I am here
for! I am here to awaken, grow in awareness and while I'm doing that I'm also
here to try to share my "awakeness" (however small) with others.
All of us are the Creator in hiding and nobody ever gets lost forever, for all
of us belong. We are "The First Cause" and we have created a 'cause and effect'
reality (Time and Space) in which we are lost temporarily. Some of us however
know who we are and we also know that all is well with the world for the game we
play is the "Play of the Creator in Hiding" and be puzzled for a while as man,
as to why we are here. etc. etc.
Naturally life has more meaning than to be fooled. I did not say that this was
the meaning of life. To be fooled is an aspect of life. And as far as my ideas
are concerned; I try to share some of them in order to get in contact with
others so that we may have some kind of dialogue that enriches some of us I
hope. It certainly enriches me! I am on earth in order to learn and share and
my purpose is to grow and grow in awareness or consciousness. To eventually
leave this world behind me for good , for I will have lived my last lifetime.
(Like the man people call Jesus the Christ)
I do not know whether I have answered your question to YOUR satisfaction, but if
not, we'll continue the next time. I also have about 4MB of writing that I
issue as Shareware and it deals with hundreds of questions and answers of all
kinds. I started to write about 16 years ago and most of it is on one 3.5" IBM
disk. You are welcome to enquire about it if you like.
Greetings to all... Thank you for responding Ron...!
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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MOCHIN Digest 77
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Creation is Endless.................------>>
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
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Topic No. 1
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 94 21:50 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Creation is Endless.................------>>
Message-ID: <13080094215047@HUJIVMS>
To One and All...
To Jan and her sincerity...
I'm sure you worked long and hard Jan, thank you for your efforts. Sometimes
however we work too long and within two paragraphs we contradict ourselves.
So, in order to show this I have selected a paragraph or two here and there of
your post and I also would like to show the differences between what you think
you know, and what I think I know. There are a few noticeable points here.
However, this does not mean that either you or I are wrong, for Truth is an
individual thing!
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Jan: There is an infinite gulf between Him and us - He is complete, we are
incomplete; we have misery and suffering, He has ecstasy.
Jan: The creator created the cosmos (existence) which is what we call the
creator "manifest". Then there is the creator "unmanifest" who we
cannot know at all. The only aspect of the creator we know is
existence. There are other aspects of the creator which he has not
manifested. We cannot know these. We are made of "lack". This
separates us from the creator because he has no lack, he is complete.
While we receive light from G-d, it is only a portion of the light.
Gerardus: Comment! We have what we focus upon! Focus upon suffering and misery
and you'll have it! This is a lesson to be learned by the masses, I don't think
that they will ever learn it, when you give them abundance that is created by
others!
--------------------------------
Gerardus: First paragraph ---> He has ecstasy. Second paragraph you say:
Then there is the creator "unmanifest" who we cannot know at all.
Now... if we cannot know the unmanifested Creator, how do you know that *HE* is
in ecstasy??
What YOU have been told in the past and have read about, you possibly repeat
here, and it contradicts itself. I know that Life, God, the Creator and what
have you are quite the paradox, but this paradoxical statement is not
paradoxical enough, for I can see right through it. It just does not jive...
===================================================================
Jan: Also, the chaotic state the world is in and the suffering we have is
due to the separation between Him and us.
Jan: Remembering this gulf reminds us of these things and that our purpose
is to compassionately and creatively help one another and to
transform the world into a spiritual reality.
Gerardus: The world has always been in some kind of chaotic state for the world
is a school in which we learn from the states we experience. The world is
exactly what it should be in order to function as this school. It is a school
for Consciousness. It is a school for the Unconscious Creator within us to
become CONSCIOUS or AWARE. You say, that we know nothing of the Unmanifested
and I say that the Unmanifested is an Unconsciousness Force that by means of its
Dream or Creation becomes conscious in the created. You and I and the rest of
Mankind and other Universal Beings or Godbeings. So the Unmanifested becomes
slowly known by all Universal Beings for it becomes conscious within them. They
get to know their Unconscious-Self as a Conscious Being! Alive and well... and
forever learning more!
Gerardus: Another thing: I SEE no gulf! So, the gulf I do not see cannot remind
me of these things. Whatever they are.
Gerardus: ... to compassionately and creatively help one another and to
transform the world into a spiritual reality. (this is what you said)
Now, the first part of this sentence I agree with, but the second part is not as
I see it. The world is supposed to be a Physical Reality and as far as you are
concerned and know; it is created by G-d for us to live here, create abundance
and get to know Him. In my opinion: The Physical Reality is a specific creation
or reality that has been created by THEM that live there! It is not a creation
of some G-d! The Creator within the people that live on this world has
manifested their (or its) thoughts. What you see around you, are OUR thoughts
in physical reality. I agree that we should try to help the people of the world
to create a better and more refined Physical Reality, but not to transform the
world into a spiritual reality. We have left the Spiritual Reality and have
come down here in order to create something different, something extra: the
physical reality. We are doing this in order to enlarge or expand our (The
Creator's) Consciousness. We are the Creator as Physical Beings and we are here
to create a physical reality of great beauty! Well, we are working on it, but
since we live in time, it takes time. If you and I could project ourselves,
let's say a million years ahead of today; we would find that our physical
reality is the most beautiful "Disney World" you could not possibly dream of at
this time. I do not think that we have left our safe heaven, the spiritual
realm, and then start a physical realm to make or transform it back into a
spiritual realm. Makes no sense to me!
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Gerardus: You know Jan... I feel that you and I really speak about the same
"end-result" but in the processes of realizing this; we go and speak our
different ways. You like your version - I like mine!
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Project Mind!? How are we going to produce this abundance and not pollute the
world any further? The countries or people that have some form of abundance
already now (including myself) create the most pollution.
You know I'm doubtful about the whole Project. You see, in the world there are
two forces at work. The Market-Force and the Share-Force. At this particular
time the Market-Force has created the affluence and the possible abundance in
the future of people in the western countries. And you know, these
Market-Forces are the Negative Expression of the Creator. (The religions call
them the Devil or Satan.) The entire world is almost completely under the
domination of these Market Forces. (The banks, the insurance companies, the
Cable TV companies and the medical associations) Are we going to continue to
create more and more affluence by means of these Market-Forces?? Are we going to
become totally dominated as slaves in the long run in order to create material
abundances?? And maybe speculate that people THEN!... are ready to look at the
spiritual?? Very very risky Jan! I'm very doubtful of that! Is there some kind
of statistic that says that rich people are more spiritual? Isn't there a
saying that it is as difficult for a rich man to enter the Kingdom as it is for
a camel to creep through the eye of a needle?
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BTW: you only have admitted to the good of the Traditions. The not so good of
it outweighs the good by far from my point of view. And besides. Good or Bad...
it is still living in the past. And this is what you are trying to transform in
the first place isn't it?
Thank you for your response Jan...
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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MOCHIN Digest 78
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Task
by JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
2) Creation continued
by JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
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Topic No. 1
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 94 19:48 +0300
From: JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Task
Message-ID: <15080094194816@HUJIVMS>
"A human being is a part of the whole, called by us "Universe", a
part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts
and feelings as something separated from the rest -- a kind of
optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of
prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to
affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free
ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to
embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."
- Albert Einstein
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Topic No. 2
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 94 19:49 +0300
From: JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Creation continued
Message-ID: <15080094194948@HUJIVMS>
Hi Mike and all,
In response to Mike's comments to my comments...
> Jan:
> Our unconscious must yearn to return to its original infinite
state, so these vague memories are etched in us.
>Mike:
>Not meaning to pick on you over one form, or use, of language and
perhaps expressing my view backwards (forward in the rearview mirror
of life?), or, my desire to return what I had a bit retentively, I
have a problem with this statement and several like it in many
messages on this mailing list. I take issue with the possibility of
an interpretation of the concept of our infinite state, as one which
is G-d. Language make it difficult to state that one believes we
return to be of G-d eternally, one interpretation, perhaps, of
infinite state, from an interpretation which identifies us as being
gods, being infinite state. Does anyone doubt the significance of
this difference? I ask that the distinction be made clear in such
statements in a way perhaps more reserved than my writing, here.
Yes, I should have been more precise. Will make the meaning more
clear - that the infinite state is to be with G-d eternally.
Mike:
>The statement is also a bit bothersome to me owing to an apocolyptic
sense to it. I read in it, in the context, as possibly expressing a
desire to reach the afterlife in a way which desires the end of life
through death. I presume you desire to be brought before G-d without
experiencing death and attempt to meet the expectation you feel are
necessary to achieve this possibility.
Again, this context could be read into it, so I will expand next
time.
_______________________________________________
> Jan:
> Each of us must determine our specific purpose (destiny) in this
transformation process by contacting the deeper layers of our essence
where our individuality lies.
>Mike:
>Is this what Gerardus refers to as contemplating our navels? What
do you believe is necessary to "know thyself" in this way?
May be what Gerardus means.
Other than the fact that we are all here to creatively and
compassionately help one another, determining how we should
specifically do this poses a problem. Our individuality lies in the
deepest core of our essence. Our social conditioning and distraction
caused by the physical world hides us from ourselves. A "passionate
desire" to know can lead to intuitive insight that bears some truth
within it. If something is so important to you that you would give
your heart and soul and all your means to it you've found it. You
then put your mind to the service of your aim and your heart commits
you to it.
____________________________________________________
> Jan:
> Also, we fulfil our desire to be co-creators by transforming this
physical world into a spiritual one and in so doing we become closer
to rejoining Him.
>
> This of course effects everyone and the fate of the world because
we haven't fulfilled our part in compassionate, creative world
transformation.
>Mike:
>You seem to be non-committal to One Soul? One shared destiny you
make clear. How are one shared destiny and the commitment to One
Soul so different?
Each soul is of the same importance. Helping one soul is important.
Helping more than one soul then is even of more value and more
universal. The more universal a task is the more cosmically valid.
Thanks for your comments.
Hope everyone had a nice weekend.
to the revelation of Mind,
Jan
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MOCHIN Digest 79
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Creation continued
by JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
2) Allusion isle
by koopman@ctc.com (Michael G. Koopman)
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Topic No. 1
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 94 0:35 +0300
From: JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Creation continued
Message-ID: <17080094003539@HUJIVMS>
Hi Gerardus and all,
>Gerardus: We have what we focus upon! Focus upon suffering and
misery and you'll have it!
Gerardus, I know you would like to see everyone truly happy.
But this is not possible as long as there are haves and have nots.
As long are there are haves and have nots there will be suffering in
this world. I can never be truly happy as long as there are others
suffering. And I don't think anyone else can be either. We're all
in this together.
>Gerardus: Now... if we cannot know the unmanifested Creator, how do
you know that *HE* is in ecstasy?
We do know what IS manifested, not what isn't. I feel and know that
ecstasy. You do too, it shows in all your writings.
>Gerardus: Another thing: I SEE no gulf! ...
In your letter to Ron you say "I am on earth in order to learn and
share and my purpose is to grow and grow in awareness or
consciousness" "to eventually unite with Higher Self". I see a gulf
because if there was no gulf there, there would be no reason for you
to still be here, you would have reached total consciousness.
I understand that you feel there is no gap, but something is missing
since you are still growing and you are not complete.
>Gerardus: I agree that we should try to help the people of the world
to create a better and more refined Physical Reality, but not to
transform the world into a spiritual reality.
We are the Creator as Physical Beings and we are here to create a
physical reality of great beauty!
While I don't agree we are the Creator, I do agree, we are here to
create a physical reality of great beauty. This is what transforming
the world into a spiritual reality means. To make a physical world
of great beauty we need to discover the more spiritual aspects of
nature. We need to discover the secrets of nature to do this. We
discover the secrets of nature when our state of consciousness (how
much of reality we have adapted to) corresponds to higher levels of
materiality. Here, we are saying the same thing but in a little
different way.
>Gerardus: Well, we are working on it, but since we live in time, it
takes time. If you and I could project ourselves, let's say a
million years ahead of today; we would find that our physical reality
is the most beautiful "Disney World" you could not possible dream of
at this time.
With the growth in population, polluting technologies and
proliferation of nuclear weapons do you really think the world has
time? Do you think we have even 10 or 20 years? Why not have that
beautiful "Disney World" right now? A few of us have already gone
further than dreaming of it. This is what Project Mind proposes.
>Gerardus: Project Mind? How are we going to produce this abundance
and not pollute the world any further? The countries or people that
have some form of abundance already now create the most pollution.
At this particular time the Market-Force has created the affluence
and the possible abundance in the future of people in the western
countries. The entire world is almost completely under the
domination of these Market Forces. Are we going to continue to
create more and more affluence by means of these Market-Forces?? Are
we going to become totally dominated as slaves in the long run in
order to create material abundances?
We are going to create abundance through holistic science and
non-polluting technologies.
You are confusing abundance with affluence. We are not going to
create affluence. Holistic science will result in material
abundance. Material abundance means we will all have everything we
need for physical survival. There will be no affluence. There will
be no competition. There will be no Market-Forces.
>Gerardus: And maybe speculate that people THEN!.. are ready to look
at the spiritual?
If you have all the food, clothing and shelter you need and can
travel anywhere you want when you want and the world is beautiful and
unpolluted and you don't have to work to provide these things, what
will you do with your time?
>Gerardus: Very very risky...
I say we're living the risk now and I don't think we have much time.
We've got to have technologies that are non-polluting and holistic.
I think Project Mind is our chance, not the risk.
to the revelation of Mind,
Jan
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Topic No. 2
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 94 0:37 +0300
From: koopman@ctc.com (Michael G. Koopman)
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Allusion isle
Message-ID: <17080094003743@HUJIVMS>
Sailing through the preternaturalist conveyance twixt the islands of
ruminating bulbs of grasswaters, aye, seeweeds to the beginnings and
endings of ensanctuaried junk slowing the passage through the slips of
coincidental glances wetting the brows with fervent desire for more.
Pure chance and vivid delusions of half baked, alas, Kantian leaps
salmonizing for the creek of permanent stasis, last gasping for the
generational enrichment of neosylogizing peaks above the raging flows.
Great vanity sets such ships ablaze in the murky shallows of mussel
shoals. Mud slips enfirmed by rotting wood masses, fodder for the
pitch and slime claiming fruit enablers of rights proof. Delusions
I'll stake render exotic gardens passed, oars as is, drummers awake.
The depth of deception captures all ships in the maelstrom of mind.
Mike Koopman internet: koopman@ctc.com phone: +1-814-269-2637
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MOCHIN Digest 80
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) creation continued (jan's letter of 8/11)
by shelly <X1B157@VM.BIU.AC.IL>
2) My navel talks back to Mochin.
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
3) Allusion isle
by JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
4) creation continued ..
by JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
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Topic No. 1
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 94 19:12 +0300
From: shelly <X1B157@VM.BIU.AC.IL>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: creation continued (jan's letter of 8/11)
Message-ID: <17080094191235@HUJIVMS>
Greetings to one and all!
I would like to briefly comment on Jan's posting "creation continued (8/11)."
Jan, I found your remarks to be insightful, and perhaps kabbalistically
inspired. However, there are a few changes I would make...
"It (form) makes us receptacles for the energy G-d gives us. That energy is
intelligence..." (Jan)
The word "intelligence" does not strike me as an adequate description of this
energy. Instead, I would call it "or eloki," or "G-dly light." It is
difficult, I think, to give a name to this essence at all. Perhaps this is
because "or eloki" is a purely spiritual thing. Calling it "intelligence" is
giving it a name so that we may relate to it on a more physical level.
"Our unconscious must yearn to return to its original state..." (Jan)
"Unconscious"? Nay, too Freudian for me. I'd call it "soul."
"We fulfill our desire to be co-creators by transforming this physical
world into a spiritual one..." (Jan)
Our world can never become entirely spiritual (and non-physical). The
reality of our world, and ourselves, is that we are both spiritual and
physical. (Purely spiritual beings do not reside on this earth).
However, using our "or eloki," we may elevate the physical. Thus our
task in co-creation is the elevation of the physical into the realm of the
spiritual. The physical (i.e. the body, and physical acts that are necessary
for the sustenance of the body) becomes a tool, a means for the spiritual
(i.e. the soul).
Thank you for your enriching posting. Please take my comments with a few
grains of salt :).
ShellY "I love therefore I am"
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Topic No. 2
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 94 19:00 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: My navel talks back to Mochin.
Message-ID: <17080094190021@HUJIVMS>
To One and All...
To Jan and Mike....
Gerardus here:
Picked up a bit of conversation between Jan and Mike...
> Jan:
> Each of us must determine our specific purpose (destiny) in this
transformation process by contacting the deeper layers of our essence
where our individuality lies.
>Mike:
>Is this what Gerardus refers to as contemplating our navels? What
do you believe is necessary to "know thyself" in this way?
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Gerardus: My navel has been the talk of this Network and it finally feels the
urge to speaks up for itself! This is what it says:
Let it be known that the human being I am an aspect of, is not particularly
impressed with my importance. I hardly ever get cleaned and certainly never
meditated upon or over. As a matter of fact I have lost track of my purpose but
as sure as Gerardus knows how to contemplate without me, I am as equally sure
that at one time I was mighty important to him. This to me is sufficient and
I'll leave it at that.
I wish people would leave me alone! After all I have been retired for more than
66 years and do not believe in Network Gossip! Thank you!
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To this I say; good for you navel. So be it!
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Gerardus Speaks: (Please be quiet navel...)
Since Consciousness (or God) is the Source of Thought, it is therefore the
Source of Creation for Thinking is Creating! Since there is no limit to the
diversity of Thought, there is no limit to the diversity of Creation.
The physical reality of planet Earth is but one of the many Creations of
Consciousness and it is a very special realm, for within this region the
Creators or Thinkers who live there and have their being, are responsible for
their environment. Few do know this and many live in an illusionary State of
Mind for they are not aware that they are the very Creators of their own
circumstances.
All Human Beings are "images or duplicates" of Consciousness (or God) and the
conditions they live under are the reflections of the State of Awareness they
have attained by their own efforts. All Human Beings started out as innocent
and ignorant participants of this Creative Endeavor and slowly work toward
higher States of Awareness. Eventually all Human Beings come to the full
realization that the entire Human Race is actually One Being. This One Being is
a "Specific Aspect" of the Unbroken Wholeness we call Consciousness (or God).
There are an infinite amounts of other "Specific Aspects" of this Consciousness
(or God) and they occupy other dimensions and/or other worlds! -----
.. Are there question from the back row there...?
""Is your navel an aspect of you Gerardus...
in the same way...
as you are an Aspect of God?""
- Answer: This is so! However, in an Unbroken Wholeness we cannot really
speak of aspects. We all are Each Other and One! We are One Energy out of
which Human Beings (navels and all) appear and disappear like subatomic
wavicles. As a matter of fact we are and we are not... simultaneously!
Thank you for your attention... and please... no more questions for today.
Light... Love... and Laughter! Gerardus
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Topic No. 3
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 94 0:21 +0300
From: JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Allusion isle
Message-ID: <18080094002155@HUJIVMS>
Hi Mike and all,
I found your poem extremely beautiful, especially visually.
Do you have any more?
to the revelation of Mind,
Jan
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Topic No. 4
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 94 0:23 +0300
From: JSHEPHER@LoyalistC.ON.CA
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: creation continued ..
Message-ID: <18080094002322@HUJIVMS>
Hi Shelly and all,
>Jan: It (form) makes us receptacles for for the enrgy G-d gives us.
That energy is intelligence...
>Shelly: The word "intelligence" does not strike me as an adequate
description of this energy. Instead, I would call it "or eloki", or
"G-dly light".
Yes, you are right. In this context I should have used a term such
as the energy of life. I really like the term your use here -
"G-dly light".
>Jan: Our unconcscious must yearn to its original state..."
>Shelly: I'd call it "soul".
This is a case of me not wanting to use the same word all the time
and attempting to show that certain aspects of our "soul" are unknown
to us.
>Shelly: Thus our task in co-creation is the elevation of the
physical into the realm of the spiritual.
This sentence explains this much better than I did.
Would love to read some of your writing.
to the revelation of Mind,
Jan
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MOCHIN Digest 81
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Tale of Two Forces - 3/6
by Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
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Topic No. 1
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 94 22:04 +0300
From: Gerardus <72704.731@compuserve.com>
To: mochin@nysernet.ORG
Subject: Tale of Two Forces - 3/6
Message-ID: <18080094220448@HUJIVMS>
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
To One and All...
To Mind and Heart...
----> Tale of Two Forces - The Game of God <----
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Part 3/6
WHAT ARE UFOs?
All during the ages of human existence the UFO phenomena have been a part
of our life. They are even mentioned in the Bible where they are called
flaming chariots. Some people might have heard the stories about Ezekiel
and his journeys. Many of us haven't always been aware of their existence
however and what they really are, was so far beyond our understanding that
our wildest guess would still be miles off target. Most likely UFO lights
or happenings were taken for lightning, acts of the Gods or for some other
simple minded explanations. Nowadays however, a few people in the world
are coming very close to understanding who and what UFOs and their Beings
truly are. Some of them are the Keepers or Guardians of the world and they
have been instrumental in its creation, as well as they have been and are
the genetic engineers of the bodies we as mankind live in. For ages we
have come to some planet to have our physical experiences as spiritual or
mental entities. There are also other UFO Beings, who in their turn have
influence over the population of the earth by trying to dominate them and
try to make the whole earth their dominion of slavery! There are thus
basically two different kinds of forces that have direct influence on the
population of the earth at this time. More than two different kinds of UFO
Forces however, visit or have been encountered on our planet.
THE MASSES ARE KEPT COMPLETELY IN THE DARK.
Many governments have known for about 50 years what the UFO phenomena and
their forces are really all about. These institutions however keep many,
many things hidden from the people. So, the masses of man are completely
in the dark as to who or what these "things" are and what they are doing!
The most popular media suggest, that they are beings from other planetary
systems that visit here. Space travelers! How convenient! Well, let's
be bold and tell the truth. The UFO phenomena are the activities of alien
beings or entities and this alien presence is two-fold! There are beings
who engage themselves with serving mankind, and there are beings who keep
themselves busy with dominating and exploiting humanity. These two forces
are in comp